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    my rusty's lips are white. they are not puffy of peeling just white. he is acting fine but im not sure why his lips are white please help

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    Hi
    It's difficult to help without knowing a lot more information. What kind of fish is rusty? How long have you had him? What size tank do you have him in? What other fish and how many are also in the tank? What is your water change schedule (how much and how often)? Is your tank heated, if so to what temp? Do you have a filter? Is the tank cycled? What does ammonia, nitrites and nitrates read when you test them?
    That should get us started.
    30 g FW planted:corys, ABNP, blue angel, harleys, zebra danios, pair kribs, & nerite snails
    15 g FW planted: crown tail betta, neons, snails
    90 g FW semi planted: EBJD, congos, apple snails
    90 Gal Journal: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=93939
    Fishless cycling: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ead.php?t=5640
    Cycling with fish: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=36492

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    a rusty is an african cichlid i have him in a 55 gallon tank with 12 other african cichlids all juveniles and 1 synodontis catfish. the nitrite and nitrate are both safe there is no ammonia in the tank and the ph is 8.2 i have a 70gallon canister and a 50 gallon hang on back both of them combined equals 500 gph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johncomeau8 View Post
    a rusty is an african cichlid i have him in a 55 gallon tank with 12 other african cichlids all juveniles and 1 synodontis catfish. the nitrite and nitrate are both safe there is no ammonia in the tank and the ph is 8.2 i have a 70gallon canister and a 50 gallon hang on back both of them combined equals 500 gph.
    how often do you change your water and how much do you change at a time? What do nitrates read, exactly?
    And are you showing nitrites? if so, what do they read?

    Also - any chance of posting a photo or a video so we can see what he looks like?
    Last edited by fishmommie; 06-01-2013 at 08:32 PM.
    30 g FW planted:corys, ABNP, blue angel, harleys, zebra danios, pair kribs, & nerite snails
    15 g FW planted: crown tail betta, neons, snails
    90 g FW semi planted: EBJD, congos, apple snails
    90 Gal Journal: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=93939
    Fishless cycling: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ead.php?t=5640
    Cycling with fish: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=36492

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    i change the water once a week 25 percent. both the nitrites and nitrates read 0

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    sorry to keep asking questions ... how long has this tank been set up?
    A nitrate reading of 0 indicates to me that your tank is not cycled - that's why I'm asking.
    does the white look fuzzy or cottony or is it smooth?

    white lips could be cause by a number of things. with african cichlids, there could be a lot of nipping going on.
    White lips could also mean fungus - and upping your water changes to 50% every other day or so could greatly improve the water conditions and might go a long way toward handling the fungus.

    Again - photos or a video would help.
    Last edited by fishmommie; 06-01-2013 at 08:44 PM.
    30 g FW planted:corys, ABNP, blue angel, harleys, zebra danios, pair kribs, & nerite snails
    15 g FW planted: crown tail betta, neons, snails
    90 g FW semi planted: EBJD, congos, apple snails
    90 Gal Journal: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=93939
    Fishless cycling: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ead.php?t=5640
    Cycling with fish: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=36492

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    ive had the tank for two weeks. the last time i tested the nitrites was about a week and a half ago before the tank was cycled and i had no clue that they would go up when it did cycle. so im sure what its reading now but the fish seem so happy and the water is very clean not to mention all biological filtering i do. his lips are the only thing. it just looks like his lips turned white they are not fuzzy or swollen and he is eating and acting fine i just want to know if lips turning white on africans sometimes happens

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    its smooth not fuzzy at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by johncomeau8 View Post
    ive had the tank for two weeks. the last time i tested the nitrites was about a week and a half ago before the tank was cycled and i had no clue that they would go up when it did cycle. so im sure what its reading now but the fish seem so happy and the water is very clean not to mention all biological filtering i do. his lips are the only thing. it just looks like his lips turned white they are not fuzzy or swollen and he is eating and acting fine i just want to know if lips turning white on africans sometimes happens
    Okay - This is what I suspected. A new tank, not cycled.
    His lips turning white might be a sign of stress or ammonia or nitrite poisoning because of the uncycled tank - and your tank is most definitely not cycled. It will take a minimum of a month possibly 2 to cycle a tank with fish in it. During that time, you must do almost daily water changes.
    When you cycle a tank especially with as many fish as you have in it, you need to be testing your water DAILY with an API liquid test kit. The fact that your water is clear means nothing. Ammonia, nitrites and nitrates do not affect the clarity of the water. You must test for ammonia, nitrites and nitrates every day before you do a water change because in a new tank - again, especially with that many fish who dwell near the bottom - the chances for an ammonia or nitrite spike are very good, either of which can stress a fish and or eventually kill it.

    During a fish-in cycle, you MUST keep you ammonia and nitrites around .25ppm. If they approach .50ppm then you need to do a a 50% water change.
    If you don't do this, you are not only going to have fish with white lips, you are going to have sick and or dying fish.

    Please go to the beginners section and read the stickie on cycling with fish for more explanation.

    In the meantime, do an immediate 50% water change and use enough water conditioner/dechlorinator to treat the entire 55 gallons. If you don't have an API liquid test kit (the test strips are no good) go get one right away. You have a lot of money invested in this set up and it makes no sense not to spend a few more $'s for the test kit so you can keep a handle on what's happening in the tank.

    Many people make the same mistake you do when first starting out. They assume that if the water is clear all is well. Sadly, that's why so many first time set ups end up in lost fish.

    What you are trying to do is build up beneficial bacteria in your filters - that's why you want to keep the ammonia and nitrites around .25 while you are cycling. When the tank is completely cycled, your ammonia and nitrites will read 0 and your nitrates will read around 20. If they ever go over 20, you should do a water change. While you are cycling DO NOT touch your filters. Do not rinse the media or change the media in the filters as this is where you are trying to establish your beneficial bacteria colony. Once your tank is cycled (again - you need patience and a lot of water changes because it's going to take a while) you can RINSE the media lightly in water that you have removed from the tank - never in tap water because the chlorine will kill the BB you have worked so hard to grow. Do not replace the media even though the mfg might tell you too. Most of us here use the same media for years.

    I hope this has helped. I know I just gave you a lot of information. Read and reread it and please continue to ask questions. I'd hate to see you lose your fish but if you follow this advice you should be able to save them. Also again, read the stickie on cycling with fish.

    good luck!
    Last edited by fishmommie; 06-01-2013 at 09:24 PM.
    30 g FW planted:corys, ABNP, blue angel, harleys, zebra danios, pair kribs, & nerite snails
    15 g FW planted: crown tail betta, neons, snails
    90 g FW semi planted: EBJD, congos, apple snails
    90 Gal Journal: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=93939
    Fishless cycling: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ead.php?t=5640
    Cycling with fish: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=36492

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    i know all of this and my tank was composed of the water that i had in the tank previous to this one which was a fully thriving cycled tank. plus i have a ammonia tester and it is at zero so thats not a concern of mine

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