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    So before I got into this thread, I added the suggested amount of API Quick Start to my 55 gallon tank after adding water conditioner. I plan to have barbs and/or tetras, a Bristlenose Pleco and Giant Danios in it. It is 2 days since I added the solution, which contains live bacteria, and the tank is slightly milky in appearance.

    I took some measurements of water quality today, approximately 48 hours after adding the chemicals:

    Water Temperature: 78 degrees F
    GH: ~120
    KH: ~ 160
    PH: 7.0
    NO2: 0.6
    NO3: ~20
    Ammonia: 0

    How does this compare to what the readings after 48 hours might be? Am I doing "ok" Tips or suggestions?

    Any feedback is always appreciated.

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    It's early yet. Your tank needs to over come the ammonia cycle. If your not adding ammonia and there are no fish in the tank yet it will take some time to get the bacteria that converts ammonia to N02 that converts N02 to N03 to be in the amounts to support fish life. Remember most tap water will not have any ammonia in it as it is treated and there is nothing making waste to cause ammonia to show.
    Don't be over anxious to add fish unless your prepared to do a cycle with fish which will mean daily testing and alot of 30% water changes to stay on top of the ammonia and N02.
    To really get that bacteria growing add some pure ammonia and test to see if it disappears after a day. Check out the cycling section here for more details.
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    The bottle may have been filled who knows how many months or years ago before the bottle left the shelves.

    The bacteria we cultivate in a tank are aerobic, meaning that they consume oxygen to survive. How long do you think it takes the oxygen in a small bottle to run out? To date there are no known spore forming aerobic nitrifying aquatic bacteria.

    If the still are any bacteria left in the anoxic bottle, who knows whether they will be the ones we want growing in our tank or whether they will even survive the oxygen rich ennvironment?

    Generally, don't trust the words of an entity trying to sell you something.

    Just some food for thought. I personally do not trust "bacteria in a bottle" type products. Try it out, it might as well work fine and i was wrong all the time, but I'd be careful to monitor long term parameters while doing so.
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    You got some good advice already

    You will also need a source for ammonia to grow any bacteria, with or without using a additive. The effectiveness of those additives can be highly debated as well. Whether or not there is any live bacteria or viable bacteria spores in that bottle is the question, and is there enough to be of any value

    I would suggest completing a fishless cycle without any additives and saving some cash.
    If you take your time to do the research FIRST, you can successfully set-up and keep ANY type of aquarium with ease.
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    How does this compare to what the readings after 48 hours might be? Am I doing "ok" Tips or suggestions?

    Any feedback is always appreciated.
    You just were handed some awesome advice above, I'd follow it
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    what are your tap water baseline parameters?

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    Tips or suggestions?
    I suggest the tips in Posts # 2,3 & 4.

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    Thanks for the advice... will adding flakes help raise ammonia levels, therefore allowing good bacteria to grow?

    I'd have to test the tap water for baseline, but based on earlier data, all I can say is that PH is right at 7.0.

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    You would be far better served using ammonia doses for several reasons:

    * Easier to dose accurately
    * No waiting for it to rot
    * No need to vac your accumulated rotting food later
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    Having said that, Just because it's a stupid question doesn't mean that it shouldn't be asked. It's better to know.

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    +1 to goes to 11 - rotting food in your tank is very inefficient -

    1.wait for the food to rot (without knowing how much will produce ammonia level you want),
    2. the ammonia goes up, needs to come down to 0
    3. then add more flakes, wait to rot, may not have same ammonia level as last time and then wait til it comes down to 0 again (and this needs to be repeated several times!) - a big pain in the you know what - MUCH easier to put pure ammonia in there - easier to monitor & much faster.

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