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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardy85 View Post
    yes, that extra filter will help. I understand that running out and buying new filters isn't easy.

    If i were you, I'd put that quietflow on it for now. And just keep an eye out for a Aquaclear that you can stuff with biomax. You can find them for $20-$40
    I already have the quietflow in house had a spare, I will setup both filters 50% water change and see what happens thanks to all who helped.

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    Possible problems:

    Rainbows are high oxygen fish. They have sensitive gill membranes. The common 50% water change technique causes severe issues on many of the rainbow species. We commonly add a dechlor agent to the water and add the chlorinated water to the tank. At 50% this amount is too much for many bow species. I recommend a change of only 30% and do so twice per week to avoid the exposure to sterilants which burn the gills.

    A nitrate level of 40 ppm is high for bows. This is because nitrate displaces readily dissolved oxygen and also stresses the filtration organs such as the kidneys and liver which on rainbows are already relatively sensitive.

    Many times in rainbow fish groups you will see a heirarchy of rank in the fish. They will exist as a group and group spawn but almost always you will have more or less prominent fish in this group. As fish struggle to attain or hold this alpha position in both male and female fish they may exert themselves to a point of fatigue and or become injured. It is a good idea to provide recluse areas for fish to hide from the stress of mating behavior. This is especially critical for females and lower ranking males. An alpha males aggression can become over bearing quite quickly. To witness the situation it is best to view the tank in the first hour or so of the morning. This will be excitement time.

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    Based on water params I am assuming its cycled. I think the nitrates being high are what is causing it. I've heard the praecox are some of the more fragile of the rainbows.
    If high nitrates are causing it, then I would expect the other fish to be affected as well. The fact that they are breeding would indicate that they are not stressed by the nitrates.

    There is something wrong with the fish, no doubt. I think it's a mistake to simply blame the most convenient reason - nitrates. There are any number of other reasons why one particular fish is showing signs of distress.

    I have kept rainbows for years and perform 80% water changes every time I change the water - I've had no issues whatsoever. The fish seem to enjoy it. I add water conditioner and the refill the tank with tap water.

    Too, I have not found 40 ppm of nitrates to be problematic for them.

    Now if most or all of the rainbows were exhibiting signs of distress, then that would indicate a problem on a macro level. But when only one is, it's more likely to be an issue with that specific fish, not a systemic problem like water quality or water changes, or anything else that would have an impact on the rest of the fish in the tank.
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    Do not do 80% raw tap water changes on bows. You will be very disappointed if you do.

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    Do not do 80% raw tap water changes on bows. You will be very disappointed if you do.
    Like I said I've been doing it for years. Haven't ever been disappointed.
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    Everyone's tap water is different, simply put, some have it easier than others.

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    Everyone's tap water is different, simply put, some have it easier than others.
    The issue being presented is the supposed damage the water conditioner has on the fish - not the water itself....
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    I see that... I too do water changes direct from tap and add Prime right after I've completed it.

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    In our advise we should always stay on the side of caution so we don't have folks harming their fish and getting disappointed and leaving this great hobby.

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