07-04-2014, 05:28 PM
Cindy, I buy crushed coral and add then to my aging barrels then also add it to my sump and filters as I have very low kh (2-3) and a gh of 6 or a little less. My tap water has a ph of about 7-7.2. I don't see as much of an issue with the discus tank as I change water every other day but the 45 gallon only receives 7-10 water changes so it without the coral can decrease in ph much more quickly.
Just like Per stated lower to higher ph is less stressful then the reverse.
If you could add a little crushed coral to your filters it will help by increasing your kh slowly is extremely cheap in comparison to buffers and in my opinion simple and much safer.
Also because your kh is so low you may want to look into using Wonder Shells in your tanks. I use them in my aging barrels. Water with low kh are lacking many of the important minerals that fish require. Here's a link with more info.
07-04-2014, 06:09 PM
07-04-2014, 06:24 PM
Thanks for the link Judi. I really appreciate. Your tap water sounds much like mine. I'll give the shells a look see.
Originally Posted by JudiJetson
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07-06-2014, 07:23 PM
To sum up our phone convo for everyone... here was my advice:
KH and GH are hardness values. They harder your water the more stable and also the more minerals in the water. Thus hard water stains in the shower? Where this is sighted as an issue is on eggs as there is a theory that it coats the eggs preventing good hatch rate. There is also theorys of fish that live in soft water arent used to processing the water and it affects their organs. I dont subscribe to this theory for multitudes of reasons but thts neither here nor there.
As it affects ph... PH has a tendency to "swing" in soft water conditions because the lack of minerals in the water and disolved solids that also tend to make the water more alkiline.
Now just a note as to ph and its affect on fish... ph going more acidic (down) is usually far more stressful in my experience than up. The additional of disolving minerals in a tank will raise ph and hardness slowly just like driftwood makes it more acidic. Others have had different experiences but as it relates to your tanks Cindy, 1 point on the ph scale is not enough swing to affect your fish hardly at all and I would be astonished if this hasnt been going on all along. I would not worry on it.
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07-07-2014, 03:29 PM
Good advice from Per. Glad he could help you ease your mind.
Cindy, the other fish in your tank are doing fine, right? If there was an issue with your water params (pH/GH/kH), I'm certain the other, smaller fish in the tank would have been effected, as well. You noticed the lump on your Betta soon after you got him. When I saw that, I did warn you, much to my chagrin, what would probably happen... which is exactly what happened. My Betta went through the exact same thing. Mine just developed that lump later in life (2yrs after I got him). My water didn't change over the course of the two years of having him and neither did my tank maintenance. Still have the same pH/GH/kH/temp/amm/nitrite/nitrate readings.
My point is... I don't believe it's a problem with your tank. I believe it's a problem with your Betta. Don't beat yourself up over this. I may have been Debbie Downer, when I posted what I did about the lump, but I was just trying to throw some reality in there, so you didn't stress over it, when/if he did actually pass. ;/
07-07-2014, 03:48 PM
So sorry to hear this Cindy! You did all you could for the little guy.
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07-07-2014, 05:55 PM
Sorry about Junior. And I agree, it wasn't your water.
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07-07-2014, 08:04 PM
Sorry about Junior, he had the best care possible.
07-09-2014, 04:09 AM
Fishmommie, if you search for therad on here called: what the shell is this. You might.get a laugh.
07-09-2014, 07:05 PM