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    Hi All!

    My first post... Please be patient?

    Ok, so I currently have a 60l / 16gallon tank with:
    - 6 x Rummynoses
    - 6 x Cardinals
    - 3 x Kuhlis
    - Lots of plants

    I am getting a 500l tank tomorrow from a very seasoned fish-keeper, with 2 x Parrots in. I am giving the Parrots to a friend of mine that already has a few of them.

    What I would like to do is the following:
    - 12 x Rummynoses
    - 12 x Cardinals
    - 6 x Kuhlis
    - 12 x Cherry Shrimp
    - 2 x African Dwarf Frogs (if they are legal in Namibia - still waiting on the verdict)

    Apart from those ones, I need a bit of help...

    I am looking for larger fish (about 15cm / 6 inches in size) that I can get in pairs that will not eat my small shoaling fish. It needs to be focal fishes (if that makes sense).

    I looked at Discus - they are my favorite to date, but seeing as I am not a very seasoned fish-keeper, I am afraid to get them. I have heard that they are very expensive and die for nothing...

    I also looked and Bolivian and German Blue Rams, but, although they are SUPER beautiful, I am afraid they will not have enough of an impact in that size tank. They are about 8cm / 3 inches.

    So... To post the question: What bigger fish can I place with my teeny-tiny-fishes?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Karin View Post
    Hi All!

    My first post... Please be patient?

    Ok, so I currently have a 60l / 16gallon tank with:
    - 6 x Rummynoses
    - 6 x Cardinals
    - 3 x Kuhlis
    - Lots of plants

    I am getting a 500l tank tomorrow from a very seasoned fish-keeper, with 2 x Parrots in. I am giving the Parrots to a friend of mine that already has a few of them.

    What I would like to do is the following:
    - 12 x Rummynoses
    - 12 x Cardinals
    - 6 x Kuhlis
    - 12 x Cherry Shrimp
    - 2 x African Dwarf Frogs (if they are legal in Namibia - still waiting on the verdict)

    Apart from those ones, I need a bit of help...

    I am looking for larger fish (about 15cm / 6 inches in size) that I can get in pairs that will not eat my small shoaling fish. It needs to be focal fishes (if that makes sense).

    I looked at Discus - they are my favorite to date, but seeing as I am not a very seasoned fish-keeper, I am afraid to get them. I have heard that they are very expensive and die for nothing...

    I also looked and Bolivian and German Blue Rams, but, although they are SUPER beautiful, I am afraid they will not have enough of an impact in that size tank. They are about 8cm / 3 inches.

    So... To post the question: What bigger fish can I place with my teeny-tiny-fishes?

    Have you read this excellant link from Lady Hobbs?

    http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ead.php?t=3036
    10 Gallon Beginner Tank... Journal
    40 Gallon Breeder: ... Journal
    29 Gallon: ... Journal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karin View Post
    So... To post the question: What bigger fish can I place with my teeny-tiny-fishes?

    I can shout a dozen species easily but.. I'd rather give you proper advice, something that will do well in the long term.

    Namibia... hmmmm.. soft water I suppose? How's the contamination with chlorine? Can you get a decent water conditioner? Are you going to plant? What's the temp in the room mid summer?

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    @ Slaphppy7
    Thank you! I had a look at it and it seems really thorough. I will study it and see if I can come up with something that could work!

    @ talldutchie
    I don't know if it is soft or hard water and what chlorine levels are here. I have been asking my local pet shop for testing kits for some time now, but no luck yet... So I don't even know my nitrate / nitrite levels! I do weekly 25% water changes and with the new water I add dechlorinator and bacteria cultures every time. I suppose my water is not bad, judged by my rummies' bright red heads, but unfortunately for now that is all I go by. My fishies look healthy and happy.

    Plants - definitely yes! I love plants and the plants that I have in my current tank already grew so tall that they bend under the top of the water surface.

    Temp - It gets pretty hot in Namibia, but my tank is in a cool spot. In Summer we usually don't put the heater on at all.

    I am looking forward to your advice! Please ask more Q's if you need to know more about my setup. I'll answer where I can! :)

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    @ Slaphppy7
    I don't know if I read them wrong, but these sites seems to be contradictory...

    Badmans: African may eat smaller fish
    ratemyfishtank: Africans can be kept with Tetras

    Badmans: Angels will eat small fish
    ratemyfishtank: Angels can be kept with Tetras

    Badmans: Sharks are mildly agressive
    ratemyfishtank: Sharks can be kept with Tetras

    Badmans: African Dwarf Frogs and cherry shrimp can be kept with small fish
    ratemyfishtank: no invertebraes

    There are more, but it is all so confusing, I am rather going to go sleep now and see if it makes more sense tomorrow...

    Nighty night!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karin View Post
    What I would like to do is the following:
    - 12 x Rummynoses
    - 12 x Cardinals
    - 6 x Kuhlis
    - 12 x Cherry Shrimp
    - 2 x African Dwarf Frogs (if they are legal in Namibia - still waiting on the verdict)
    That would make for quite an empty looking tank. I would double the tetra schools, and at least quadruple the kuhli loach school. I'd skip on the frogs.

    There are some peaceful giants in the cichlid world. Severums would be an option - though they grow large they have very small mouths. The fish in my avatar are red severums. For medium sized cichlids, angels and festivums are an option - they are both group oriented. Chanchitos are good option, if you can find them. Blue acaras are another. Cupid cichlids are another group oriented one. And there are keyhole cichlids. Of course it will also come down to what you have available to you. I'd also look to get a larger schooling fish, perhaps in the barb family. Again - depends on what's available to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karin View Post
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    @ talldutchie
    I don't know if it is soft or hard water and what chlorine levels are here. I have been asking my local pet shop for testing kits for some time now, but no luck yet... So I don't even know my nitrate / nitrite levels! I do weekly 25% water changes and with the new water I add dechlorinator and bacteria cultures every time. I suppose my water is not bad, judged by my rummies' bright red heads, but unfortunately for now that is all I go by. My fishies look healthy and happy.

    Plants - definitely yes! I love plants and the plants that I have in my current tank already grew so tall that they bend under the top of the water surface.

    Temp - It gets pretty hot in Namibia, but my tank is in a cool spot. In Summer we usually don't put the heater on at all.

    I am looking forward to your advice! Please ask more Q's if you need to know more about my setup. I'll answer where I can! :)
    I know some warm countries they add so much chlorine that if you'd fill a bucket you're gettign a big noseful of the stuff.

    OK, so we know easy fish work well. Well, if the rummynose work well then the cardinals will too. Both are relatively easy as long as you give them clean water. Both also take warmer temps quite well. Kuhli are cute but in most tanks you don't see that much of them.
    Dwarf frogs may well bother the shrimp and may well be outcompeted for food by the fish. If you really want those you might consider keeping your current tank and designing it around them once you've moved the fish to the bigger new tank.

    Size wise you could easily build up to 30 cardinals, 30 rummies and 15 loaches. Provide some cover for the loaches like a bit of pot or some pipe. More would be possible but depends ont he big fish. Also you're essentially running blind without test gear so I'd say keep some more room for error.

    As to big fish. Did you ever consider angels? You'd have the room and these enjoy planted tanks.

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    + 1 to the last two posts about increasing the size of your tetra schools.
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    correct me if I am wrong but i dont think that many large fish would not eat the cherry shrimp? can someone please verify this.
    I was told almost all omnivorous or carnivorous fish would eat them if they can fit them in their mouth.
    that said, my cherry shrimp are pretty quick and wily haha they might be fine!

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    True. But some fish are not that skilled in hunting shrimp in plant cover.

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