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    Re-posting from my cycling discussion (which went off-topic) in hopes of getting more visibility.

    So the original plan for my new 29G was: 9 neon tetras, 7 bloodfin tetras, 3 guppies, and a dwarf gourami. I'm currently midway through the stocking process and have everyone except the bloodfins. When I was at the store the other night getting the gourami and a few other doodads, the guy suggested I add an Agassizi cory cat, stating that they were low bioload and wouldn't put me into an overstock situation. I asked him if they needed a school (I vaguely remembered reading that they like groups of around 5) and he said no, they were fine on their own. So I grabbed one of those too, and a bag of sinking disk things for bottom-feeders.

    Turns out I remembered correctly - the cory cat does want some friends. He's currently sitting by himself on the bottom of the tank in behind a log and not moving.

    So... am I screwed out of the bloodfins, because now I have to get more cory cats so that the one I currently have doesn't just sit there and mope? Could I get a smaller-than normal number of bloodfins and hope they school with the neons? Or, how likely is it that the fish store will take the cory cat back when they're the ones that gave me the bad advice in the first place? (And if I go that route, does anyone want a barely-used package of food for bottom-feeders?)

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    Others may have a different opinion, but I'd get 5 more cories and the blood fins. I don't think you'd have a stocking issue as long as you keep up a good water maintenance schedule - as in 50% W/C weekly.

    If you have both male and female guppies, the other fish should handle any fry.
    I have a 30 with 7 tetras about the size of the blood fins, 6 smaller tetras, a DW gourami, 6 cory cats and a BNP and it's a healthy active tank.

    I just wouldn't add too much stock at once for fear of kicking your tank into a mini cycle.

    I'm assuming your tank is cycled, correct?
    30 g FW planted:corys, female ABNP, blue angel, harleys, zebra danios, rummies,
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    Yeah, we fishless cycled it before adding anybody.

    50% water change every week sounds like a bit of a pain in the rear, and will involve a lot of bucket carrying. (The fish tank is not anywhere near a sink or source of water.) I'd prefer to avoid that if possible.

    Um, the filter is rated for 50G if that makes any kind of difference.

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    Your filtration is likely okay although most double the size of the tank. (ie 30 gal tank = 60 gal filtration capacity. )
    Most here also mak 50% weekly water changes no matter what. have you thought of getting a python or aquean water changer? best money I ever spent.
    Last edited by fishmommie; 05-05-2013 at 10:31 PM.
    30 g FW planted:corys, female ABNP, blue angel, harleys, zebra danios, rummies,
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    Quote Originally Posted by soaringpilot View Post
    50% water change every week sounds like a bit of a pain in the rear, and will involve a lot of bucket carrying. (The fish tank is not anywhere near a sink or source of water.) I'd prefer to avoid that if possible.
    If this is too much of a problem I suggest a different hobby.
    As I said in your other thread, you will be fine with the bloodfins and the corys, just stock slowly.
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    I have an Aqueon 25 ft water changer, purchased after everybody on this forum made me want one when they say stuff like "best money I ever spent" about it.
    It's true. I have a ten gallon and and a 29 gal, and before water changes took me an hour to do both. Now, a water change takes 20 minutes. The I highly recommend getting one. Just make sure you get the right length and have a sink that is about the same height as your aquariums in order for the siphon to work.
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    You can't really avoid water changes.

    I carried buckets up and down stairs for over a year on my 45gallon tank. I did 50-70% water changes that way.

    Finally caved in and bought a python water changer-they make them in 25/50 ft lengths with extenders. So you'll always be in reach of a water source.

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    I don't know how far away your water source is, but I think you can get a python up to 25 feet, maybe 50.

    I'm sure you now realize, in hindsight, that it's always best to set up an aquarium as closely as possible to a water source. Even with a python, it saves steps.

    Can't scrimp on the water changes -- your fish will suffer.

    Oh, and be careful about listening to the employees at an LFS. A lot of them don't know what they're talking about.

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    Some people have opinions but some don't know anything. For example, at fish gallery someone told me that you can have just 3 loaches in a tank, and gave me a legitimate reason when I asked "Aren't you supposed to have 5-6 minimum?" There are good LFS and bad LFS and Fish Gallery Houston is one of those good LFS where everyone at the store has years of experience and knows what they are talking about. This store even has a 5000 gallon tank without algea eaters and without a spec of algea. It really depends on what LFS it is and who your asking for advice. Just make sure you confirm the advice your given if your not sure.

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    Re: tank placement, I live in a townhouse. There is no location that's close to a water source AND close to enough electrical outlets AND quiet enough for fish. So I went with quiet + electrical power. This means lugging buckets of water up and down a full flight of stairs. I have no problem with weekly water changes, but all the books I'd read advised that 15-20% water changes were sufficient if you weren't pushing your stocking levels. So I planned based on that.

    A python might work if I could run it from the kitchen sink. It won't go the other way (draining from the tank) because the tank is in a sunken living room.

    Starting to realize this hobby is a bigger money pit than I thought.

    Still not sure about the number of fish - the last few comments have largely been "well I guess you shoulda thought of that before" and "LFS staff don't always know what they're talking about," which is not helpful. Maybe I will call the fish store tomorrow and see if they'll take the cory cat back.

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