where am i inthe cycle stage?
hello all... I am trying to figure out where in the cycling stage in at... heres the full story.....
Had a 2 month old 3.5 gallon cycling glow tank.. i went out and Upgraded to a 10g and tried to cycle it to get it ready from the fish in from old tank... as the 10 gallon is cycling i removed all decorations from smaller tank and placed them in with new (rinsed) aquarium gravel to help speed the cycling process. mean while im doing my water changes to the smaller tank and accidentally bleach poisoned the fish and frog, all died except the frog, i thre him in the new 10g tank. Had to get new fish asap(son was upset)....
First 4 days of 10 gallon tank cycle...(no fish)...(prior to bleach poisoning of small tank)..
Used all decorations to from old tank in new 10g tank Thank God cause then Id have No Bacteria To Grow Into New Tank... Tested water for about 5 days withph at 7.8, ammonia readings of around 3 nitrItes at 2 and nitrAtes at 5(nitrAtes stay at 5 from this point on).... 5 days after tank has been sitting with filter on we added new fish to 10g (keep in mind im using test strips)
**** apparently the test strips are inaccurate?, which is what i used to get these levels*****
its been a week and a half now with the fish in and we lost 2 out of 7 fish and added 4 mystery snails(just wanted 1 or 2, but petsmart gave them to me). they seem happy but im still concerned bout my levels... we have been doing daily water changes with double the dose of safe start with no significant change in levels except ph has come down.
Am I Heading In The Right Direction As Far As Getting My Tank cycled?
i went out and bought a liquid tester byt API. here are the results.,.. and other specs of tank
Ammonia looks like 1 or 2 ppm to me
Ph looks like 7.8
nitrites look like 0 ppm to me
Tank volume.......... 10 gallon
Type of filter......... aqua-tech 10-151
All tank mates................. 4 glowfish 2 guppies and 4 mystery snails 1 dwarf frog whos lived for3 months now(from origonal tank)
Any plants..................... not sure on type.. bought from petsmart, grows 3-4" and looks like wide tall grass
Lighting.......... 18" 100 percent actinic lighting Substrate.... not sure what that is
Liquid or strip tests.........liquid
any help wuold be awseome...
p.s. the fish seem fine and ver active, swimming throughout the tank and through the bubbles and currents from filter
Last edited by snowfam; 04-08-2013 at 04:57 AM.
apparently my wife just told me that when she has been doing water changes that she was deep vaccuuming the gravel... did that mess things up?
The API test always seems like there some ammonia when I test my water, it never looks like that shade of yellow on the card. Assuming your card is the same as mine and your nitrates are still at about 5, you, my friend, are cycled. Check again in a day just to make sure the ammonia reading is "1 or 2 ppm" just to make sure that its 0 because like I said, that shade of yellow on the card doesn't match the actual color on the test tube. Disturbing the gravel can mess up your water quality, but your tank is new so I doubt it'll have major effects.
Your ammonia level looks way too high to me, ammonia needs to be 0...use this website in conjunction with your API test card to determine your levels, you can just hold your test tube up to your monitor to compare colors: http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/downloads.html
Those "test strips" are useless and inaccurate....use your liquid test kit
++ to Slaphappy
Your tank is NOT cycled if you have any ammonia reading.
Only when both ammonia and nitrites read 0ppm is your tank cycled. Until then, you need to complete at least a 50% water change every day that your ammonia exceeds .25. And at this point, one W/C a day may not be enough.
Your goal while you're cycling is to keep the ammonia and nitrites at .25 or under and keep nitrates under 20ppm
As long as you use the API liquid test kit and follow the instructions to the letter, your readings will be accurate and they will match the card.
I'm not familiar with your filter but I'm guessing you need a second filter. You need enough filtration rated for double the size of your tank. So your 10 gallon tank needs filtration that will handle 20 gallons.
In the meantime, don't vacuum, don't clean your filter or the filter media - 90% of your beneficial bacteria is growing on your filter media so if you change it or clean it, you'll lose everything you've been working to grow.
Last edited by fishmommie; 05-03-2013 at 05:35 PM.
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"1 or 2." I feel dumb, I was thinking .1 or .2. Yeah, what slappy said, sorry. :(
No need to apologize, you are trying, that's what matters...what kind of de-chlorinator are you using?...Seachum's Prime is a very good one that does much more than dechlorinate...you need to be adding enough during EVERY water change that is required for your entire tank size, not just the water you are replacing
Actually, I will politely disagree with fishmommie on the vacuuming part - there is no reason you can't vacuum your substrate during water changes, especially if there is excess food in there which can rot and contribute towards the ammonia level you're getting.
Originally Posted by snowfam
While the tank is cycling, you should be changing water often enough to keep your ammonia level at no higher than .25 - more than that is harmful to your fish. It's the liquid kit that will keep you on track - for such a small tank, you can change 50% water at a time - once the ammonia is down to .25, it will eventually drop to 0 once enough bacteria have grown in the filter. A fully cycled tank will have 0 ammonia, 0 nitrites & 20ppm or less nitrates.
Fishmommie is completely correct about not touching your filter media while the tank is cycling - be VERY careful to not overfeed - feed once a day just enough for the fish to eat in a few minutes - watch them eat everything before putting in more - a tiny tiny pinch at a time.
Also, those glofish don't really belong in a 10gal tank - they will grow too large and need lots of horizontal swim space due to their activity level - they start off small but grow! If you are willing to get a larger tank (like 20gal or more), make sure to get enough filtration for double the size of the tank.
If you are going to keep the 10gal, there are more appropriate fish for that size - like neon tetras or a similar tiny fish that stays small - and you will still need more filtration.
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