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    Hi, kids.

    I have a 55g community tank that is gradually evolving toward an "Asia" tank. It is well planted with several hugs swords and lots of smaller stuff, and currently stocked with dennison barbs/roseline sharks/torpedo barbs, turquoise rainbows, golden and siamese algae eaters, a red tail shark, a black moor goldfish, and a couple ottos and nerites. The GAEs get a little aggressive once in a while and will probably have to go away soon; other than that, everyone gets along just terrifically.

    The dennies are pretty, but their coloring is not quite what I want, so I'm looking for a new home for them. I would like to replace them with a school of tiger barbs; I'm thinking around 8 of them. I love their coloring, their belligerent little faces, the way they interact. Their activity and silver/orange/black coloration would make a striking contrast to the plants and turquoise rainbows. Also, I suspect they have fairly low bioload, so I could get a few of them without overtaxing the tank. But I am worried about their aggression.

    I read that if they are in a school of six or more, their aggression and fin nipping decreases dramatically. But I am still concerned that my black moor would be toast--longish fins, not fast at all. Any insight on that? Please tell me not to worry, that it would be fine, because I really want some tigers. Or better yet, tell me the truth. :)

    Failing that, what alternatives can you recommend that have a similar look, similar coloration, similar geographic origins, but wouldn't kill my gentle moor?

    Thanks!
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    With barbs, its all about the numbers. I have an angel in a tank with a school of arulius barbs and his fins are perfect.

    This being said, 6 probably wont do the trick. If you do decide to get a larger school of tiger barbs you will need to re-evaluate your stocking.
    Last edited by Aeonflame; 04-03-2013 at 05:11 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeonflame View Post
    If you do decide to get a larger school of tiger barbs you will need to re-evaluate your stocking.
    True. I am right on the edge of being overstocked as it is; if I didn't have some fairly magnificent plant growth I would already be having problems. I'm thinking a school of 8.
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    Here's a great alternative to Tiger Barbs: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...d.php?t=108733

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    Thanks, Steeler. Due to your tip, I've done some research on those five-barred barbs. Most of the reading and all of the videos of them seem to indicate they are rather shy, nervous characters. I wonder if my school of rainbows and my redtail shark--very active critters all--would freak them out and relegate them to hiding out under the rocks and plants.

    What can you tell me about their personality? Are they active in the presence of other active fish?

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    IME they were alway out front and would race everybody to the top for food like most Barbs. They realy enjoyed sinking tablets as well as flake and bloodworms.

    Keep in mind that the biggest fish in the tank were Emperor Tetras. There were also Neon Dwarf Rainbows in the tank at the time. Only fish that might make them shy would be your shark.

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    You got a weird stocking onw. The goldfish doesn't belong there, the tank is too small for the dennisons, both of which prefer cooler water than the rest. You've got so many algae eaters that I wonder what the issue is there.

    The rainbows love hard water, the barbs prefer it a bit softer.

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    Keeping known nippers like tiger barbs in a larger school is A way to minimize heterospecific nipping, but it is in no way a guarantee. I feel that people read "keeping a larger school prevents aggression" and so they think it'll all be fine (6 is NOT a large school, btw), but it can easily go the other way and now you have that many more mouths nipping. A large (10+) school is your best shot, but it's still a risk. And speaking of risks, keeping tiger barbs with a goldfish?? HUGE risk.

    Yes, 75 is a fine temperature for goldfish, as well as most "tropical" fish. Temp invokes two knee jerk reactions - goldfish need "cooler" water, and "tropicals" need 80 degree water. Meanwhile, people who keep goldfish in ponds can see their water reach 90 degrees in the summer, and they do just fine. Too, most people keep their "tropical" fish in water that is unnecessarily warm. Many don't even know the temperature range of their own fish.

    I'm glad you are giving up the Denison barbs - the tank is not large enough for them. In addition to them, I don't think it's big enough for the turquoise rainbows either. But, mine are full grown. Having kept them in a 4 foot tank, and moved them to a 6 foot tank, there's no way that I would put them back in a 4. They are large, active fish that need space to swim. We all have to decide for ourselves how much room we want our fish to have to swim. I recognize that I probably am in the minority on the rainbows, but that's how I feel about it. I like to give my fish more the the bare minimum - I find that I enjoy them more that way, and truthfully, that is my only concern. Since you want an Asian tank, they don't belong anyway.
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    I just want to note that the denisons minimum tank length is 120 cm, but you need 45cm in length. I say these are more of a 75 or 90 gallon-suited fish. I have these in my tropical pond and they do move a lot, so moving them is the right choice.
    Also tiger barbs are pretty tricky. They hog food, and their aggression can go any way. If you are to keep tiger with a diffirent fish, make sure it is at least 100 gallons and that the fish you keep them with will win the fight. I don't know why people say "larger groups lower aggression" because it isn't a fact. I know someone who kept 20 or so of these with 2 large oscars in a 300 gallon and they ganged up on and killed the oscars. Not saying that larger groups don't lower aggression, but it is always a risk.

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    Actually, your goldfish does not belong in that tank. They are cold water fish and the others are all warm water.

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