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Thread: Would love some advice :)
02-06-2013, 07:53 PM #1
Would love some advice :)
My 60 gallon "cube" is nearing the end of the cycling process and I'd like some advice as far as stocking it. Currently it has six tiger barbs and a small pictus (which I always seem to forget about). I was unware that you could cycle a tank without fish and my boyfriend ran out and bought the pictus and the barbs with the best of intentions. Anyway, the fish all seem to be doing alright, the barbs are about 2.5 inches and the pictus has grown considerably and is about 3.5 inches. I'm starting to plan out a stock list for the tank to work around what is already in it, however, I've grown a bit nervous about introducing other species with the tiger barbs, as I've read a lot of forum posts concerning their nasty attitudes. I plan on getting at least four more tigers, to bump them to ten, but I would like to add another schooling fish if possible. My boyfriend really likes neon dwarf rainbows. Was also curious if the tank is appropriate for african butterfly fish. I've read a lot about them and they seem as if they'd be alright, but I'm wondering if the barbs would nip the fins or if the tank isn't long enough (it's 24x24x24)? Any suggestions for some interesting and compatible tank mates would be much appreciated.
Water parameters (I use the API liquid tests):
Nitrites: 1.0 (Still waiting for this to drop completely, I am doing frequent water changes)
Temp: 79-80F, the temp will fluctuate thanks to a very old heater and a very old apartment. Not sure what else I can do to keep it consistant without my dogs freezing to death.
Actually maybe the fish aren't fine, I have one really fat female barb. The scales and behavior are normal, so not sure if it's eggs or something? Hope it's nothing bad because I've grown quite fond of the barbs, even though they're jerks.
Last edited by skittlebrau; 02-06-2013 at 07:59 PM.
02-06-2013, 08:37 PM #2
I have been keeping tiger barbs for about 7 months now and they can be very nippy. So far they have left my neon tetras alone, and they seem to leave other torpedo shaped fish alone, Gold Barb, Denison Barb, Odessa Barb, Cherry Barb, and Rosy Barbs.
I have never mixed them, but any of the longer finned fishes would be in danger, Angelfish, Long Finned Rosy Barbs, Guppies, Long Finned Danios. I am thinking that Black Skirt Tetras would also be very risky.
I have had experience....poor experience with Tiger Barbs killing shrimp, and some Corydoras.55 Gallon Freshwater Tank (semi-planted) 48"x21"x13"
Video of 55GAL Tank - DEC 2012
02-06-2013, 08:42 PM #3
If she's female and she's fat and she's in with males, she's probably carrying eggs. I wouldn't consider that as being anything wrong with her -- just natural. Any plans for the fry?
As for the rest of your question, I don't know enough about the fish you're considering to advise you.
Hopefully, someone who does know can step in ...20 gal. high: planted; 7 white cloud minnows, several RCS, 2 blue shrimp, 5 Amano shrimp, several snails; Azoo air. 65 gal: planted; 6 rosy barbs, 6 yellow glofish, 3 red glofish, 3 zebra danios, 5 white cloud minnows, 3 dojo loaches, 6 crimson spot rainbow fish, 12 large Amano Shrimp, several snails; AC110.
02-06-2013, 08:44 PM #4
I have kept tiger barbs before, and it seems that 7 is a good minimum number. They seem to just pick on each other more so than the other fish that I kept with them (betas, plecos, tetras, etc.). You can throw a clown loach in the mix too, they seem to have have an identity issue because they'll school with the tiger barbs lol, although the clown loach will get pretty big after a few years."It's not the strongest, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the ones that are most adaptable."
- Charles Darwin
02-06-2013, 09:01 PM #5
I honestly wouldn't mind just filling the tank with different colors of tiger barb, but my boyfriend really wants variety so we're hoping to find something that can go in with the barbs. As for the fat barb, I hope it is just eggs, but I don't really know what I'd do with fry, as I have very limited space and can't fit another tank of any size really into this apartment! I believe the person we get our fish from would be helpful in this situation though. As for the clown loaches, I was under the impression they liked to be in groups and got fairly large?
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02-06-2013, 09:08 PM #6
0"It's not the strongest, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the ones that are most adaptable."
- Charles Darwin
02-16-2013, 06:51 AM #7
Cichlids which are too big and tough to be bullied by the Barbs are a great choice... Not sure on the footprint of your tank but depending on that a single Severum might work? Plus they make great wet pets as they are very responsive to their owners.
Pictus cats are a schooling fish and need a large footprint to romp around so he may end up not being the best fit for your tank. I would also not recommend Clown Loaches -- you should always stock for the tank you have and they need a much bigger tank than that and also a school. A group of Yoyo loaches might work though?
I would not recommend the Rainbows or Butterfly fish... they won't last 5 minutes with the barbs. I would recommend a school of different coloured barbs (5 regular, 5 gold and 5 green maybe?). The different colours look great together.
02-16-2013, 08:03 AM #8
Clown loach is a shoaling species. 10-12 inch, life expectancy of 20-30 years easily. Together with the HOng-Kong plec and the "common pleco" one of the most mistreated species you'll see.
With tiger barbs you're pretty much leaving only room for top and bottom dwellers. Theoretically you could combine them with a fast mover like a zebra danio or any of the bigger and more agressive tetras but this is pretty much hit or miss.
79-80F that's about 26.5C. Rather warm for these species, 76-77 would work just as well.
02-16-2013, 01:07 PM #9
Those nitrite readings are way, way over the top! Fish should not be in a tank with readings that high! Do a 80 - 90% water change asap and do as large as needed every single day until they stay below 0.25 ppm (a better level is 0.1 ppm.) Add salt (1 tsp/10 gal) to help these fish to exchange waste since their gills may be damaged, now. They are 'breathing' a high level and dealy waste product (the gills of fish are both their 'lungs' and kidney's and you are allowing deadly nitrite levels to remain in their blood stream. Add an airstone/bubble wand asap.)
Last edited by Cermet; 02-16-2013 at 01:11 PM.Knowledge is fun(damental)
A 75 gal with eight Discus, fake plants, and a lot of wood also with sand substrate. Clean up crew is down to just two Sterba's Corys. Filters: continuous new water flow; canister w/UV, in-tank algae scrubber!! Finally, junked the nitrate removal unit from hell.
For Fishless cycling:http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ead.php?t=5640
02-16-2013, 10:05 PM #10
Should have noticed that. Do as Cermet says, Nitrite is highly toxic.