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  1. #1

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    It's happening again! One week after I lost two clown loaches immediately after a water change I'm losing three more. They're still alive, lying on their sides, breathing normally. One is making periodic dashes to the surface, but the other two aren't moving.

    I am 100% sure I remembered prime this time.
    I am 100% sure I matched the temperature well this time.
    No signs of distress at all from the danios or the pleco or, for that matter, the other three loaches.
    I have changed 4 other tanks this week without incident so there is nothing wrong with my source water.

    I don't understand it! My poor fish...
    300 gallon mega tank: build in progress
    75 gallon community tank: tetras, danios, corys, platies, otos, pearl gouramis, bristlenose pleco, assassin snails, red cherry shrimp, bamboo shrimp
    70 gallon growout tank: clown loaches, sailfin pleco
    60 gallon goldfish tank: fancy goldfish
    29 gallon frog tank: 1 bullfrog
    10 gallon and 5.5 gallon betta tanks: 1 male betta each, sometimes snails

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    Brhino, I am very sorry to read about this

    I wish I could be of some help here
    If you take your time to do the research FIRST, you can successfully set-up and keep ANY type of aquarium with ease.
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  3. #3

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    A lovely red rose for you to enjoy ... - mermaidwannabe for the help - smaug Happy Father's Day! - Aminax awesome tank in TOTM - Lady Hobbs Good guess! - Lab_Rat 
    To match your Super speed LOL - 850R Cool contest! - Wild Turkey Great shrimp advice - Wild Turkey You have the patience of a rock - Aeonflame Happy 5th Anniversary - Aminax 
    Thanks! - Scrup hmm i dont this its the right species... but merry xmas XD - genocidex Merry Christmas! I blub you! - Aminax I love following your informative and well designed threads. I hope these loaches get huge for you! - Sandz Happy 30th birthday! - Aminax 
    Merry Christmas - Cliff Thanks for you help! Cheers! - koaladarshana Happy Birthday Bud. Cheers! - Strider199 Merry Xmas! Ill drink to that! - Sandz Happy New Year! - jeffs99dime 
    Cancer - Epilepsy - Foster Care - Gynecological Cancer - Rett Syndrome - Brhino 

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    okay, I did find one dead danio stuck to the filter intake... that's one out of at least three dozen. Two of the loaches are stone dead, the other is still alive but not breathing much. That leaves three apparently unharmed survivors hanging out in their caves, with, by all appearances, nothing wrong at all.
    300 gallon mega tank: build in progress
    75 gallon community tank: tetras, danios, corys, platies, otos, pearl gouramis, bristlenose pleco, assassin snails, red cherry shrimp, bamboo shrimp
    70 gallon growout tank: clown loaches, sailfin pleco
    60 gallon goldfish tank: fancy goldfish
    29 gallon frog tank: 1 bullfrog
    10 gallon and 5.5 gallon betta tanks: 1 male betta each, sometimes snails

  4. #4

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    A lovely red rose for you to enjoy ... - mermaidwannabe for the help - smaug Happy Father's Day! - Aminax awesome tank in TOTM - Lady Hobbs Good guess! - Lab_Rat 
    To match your Super speed LOL - 850R Cool contest! - Wild Turkey Great shrimp advice - Wild Turkey You have the patience of a rock - Aeonflame Happy 5th Anniversary - Aminax 
    Thanks! - Scrup hmm i dont this its the right species... but merry xmas XD - genocidex Merry Christmas! I blub you! - Aminax I love following your informative and well designed threads. I hope these loaches get huge for you! - Sandz Happy 30th birthday! - Aminax 
    Merry Christmas - Cliff Thanks for you help! Cheers! - koaladarshana Happy Birthday Bud. Cheers! - Strider199 Merry Xmas! Ill drink to that! - Sandz Happy New Year! - jeffs99dime 
    Cancer - Epilepsy - Foster Care - Gynecological Cancer - Rett Syndrome - Brhino 

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    a few more notes:

    The problems did not start IMMEDIATELY. I watched them for 5-10 minutes after I completed the water change, turned the filters back on, etc. No signs of trouble. Went around the house to feed all tanks, which took another 5-10 minutes, and came back to three fish lying on their sides.

    I moved all three to a breeder box so they'd be ready to remove but not quite taking them out on the offhand chance that they could recover. The last to go had enough strength to try and jump out of that (but I had it under the lid) a few times and then stopped trying. After it was no longer breathing its fins were swill twitching faintly.

    no unusual markings, discoloration, or anything else. As I mentioned last time, a heavy slime coat but I don't know how that compares to the slime coat of a healthy loach.
    300 gallon mega tank: build in progress
    75 gallon community tank: tetras, danios, corys, platies, otos, pearl gouramis, bristlenose pleco, assassin snails, red cherry shrimp, bamboo shrimp
    70 gallon growout tank: clown loaches, sailfin pleco
    60 gallon goldfish tank: fancy goldfish
    29 gallon frog tank: 1 bullfrog
    10 gallon and 5.5 gallon betta tanks: 1 male betta each, sometimes snails

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    Wow that sucks. Last year I lost 5 of my small clown loaches due to ich. I dont know why but I felt way worse when they died than when other fish have died.....probablt do to their personality.

    I hope you can come up with some answers. I know you really want them to be the feature in your megatank.

    Good luck.

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    A lovely red rose for you to enjoy ... - mermaidwannabe for the help - smaug Happy Father's Day! - Aminax awesome tank in TOTM - Lady Hobbs Good guess! - Lab_Rat 
    To match your Super speed LOL - 850R Cool contest! - Wild Turkey Great shrimp advice - Wild Turkey You have the patience of a rock - Aeonflame Happy 5th Anniversary - Aminax 
    Thanks! - Scrup hmm i dont this its the right species... but merry xmas XD - genocidex Merry Christmas! I blub you! - Aminax I love following your informative and well designed threads. I hope these loaches get huge for you! - Sandz Happy 30th birthday! - Aminax 
    Merry Christmas - Cliff Thanks for you help! Cheers! - koaladarshana Happy Birthday Bud. Cheers! - Strider199 Merry Xmas! Ill drink to that! - Sandz Happy New Year! - jeffs99dime 
    Cancer - Epilepsy - Foster Care - Gynecological Cancer - Rett Syndrome - Brhino 

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    last week somebody suggested that 50% water changes are "too much" and that started a big debate about such things.

    At this point, I'm open to any theories. But... I got these fish at the end of 2011. They went through over 50 water changes, all around 50%, with no trouble at all, and only now are they dropping dead. That doesn't make sense.
    300 gallon mega tank: build in progress
    75 gallon community tank: tetras, danios, corys, platies, otos, pearl gouramis, bristlenose pleco, assassin snails, red cherry shrimp, bamboo shrimp
    70 gallon growout tank: clown loaches, sailfin pleco
    60 gallon goldfish tank: fancy goldfish
    29 gallon frog tank: 1 bullfrog
    10 gallon and 5.5 gallon betta tanks: 1 male betta each, sometimes snails

  7. #7

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    Brhino, try this site to help diagnose the problem; http://www.fishyportal.com/diag/ I checked heavy slime coat and fish lying on the bottom on one side and it came up with heavy metal poisoning, but it seems if that were the case all the fish would be affected. Maybe going through the check list you will see other symptoms you didn't realize.
    When I go fishing I just place a sharp rock in the water and sit there waiting for all the dead fish to float to the top... Kingfisher
    Brutal honesty will be shown on this screen.
    I think my fish is adjusting well to the four gallon, He's laying on his side attempting to go to sleep on the bottom of the gravel.
    Tolerance is a great thing to have, so is the ability to shut up.

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  8. #8

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    A lovely red rose for you to enjoy ... - mermaidwannabe for the help - smaug Happy Father's Day! - Aminax awesome tank in TOTM - Lady Hobbs Good guess! - Lab_Rat 
    To match your Super speed LOL - 850R Cool contest! - Wild Turkey Great shrimp advice - Wild Turkey You have the patience of a rock - Aeonflame Happy 5th Anniversary - Aminax 
    Thanks! - Scrup hmm i dont this its the right species... but merry xmas XD - genocidex Merry Christmas! I blub you! - Aminax I love following your informative and well designed threads. I hope these loaches get huge for you! - Sandz Happy 30th birthday! - Aminax 
    Merry Christmas - Cliff Thanks for you help! Cheers! - koaladarshana Happy Birthday Bud. Cheers! - Strider199 Merry Xmas! Ill drink to that! - Sandz Happy New Year! - jeffs99dime 
    Cancer - Epilepsy - Foster Care - Gynecological Cancer - Rett Syndrome - Brhino 

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    Thanks mommy. Nothing seems to fit just right.

    I had a bit of a thought. This tank's in the basement, so when I do water changes I use a different tap than the rest of the tanks. So perhaps there's something wrong with the tap. But... I also keep my fry tanks down there, so water from that tap has done changes for those tanks, and you know how sensitive fry are...

    Seems like any theory I come up with immediately has a reason why it can't be right.
    300 gallon mega tank: build in progress
    75 gallon community tank: tetras, danios, corys, platies, otos, pearl gouramis, bristlenose pleco, assassin snails, red cherry shrimp, bamboo shrimp
    70 gallon growout tank: clown loaches, sailfin pleco
    60 gallon goldfish tank: fancy goldfish
    29 gallon frog tank: 1 bullfrog
    10 gallon and 5.5 gallon betta tanks: 1 male betta each, sometimes snails

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    Thanks for the rep!! - steeler58 For working with new fish keepers! Outstanding this month. - Taurus Just Because - Surfdog A round for the fallen this Memorial Day weekend. - Compass I had no cup, so I put it on a bun... - Slaphppy7 
    You are amazing! So smart and giving. - SeaLady Can't give you any more rep, but well said! - steeler58 Thank again!! You seem to enjoy your coffee. - steeler58 Thanks for the rep!! - Compass this doesnt look like pie... not the right kind.. - Sandz 
    for providing solid guidance to others - RiversGirl Thanks for the rep! :) - Compass cheers - Fishhook Using up my winnings on my friends! - Compass No Message - Fishhook 
    beeeeeeeer! - Sandz Bottoms up! (even though you don't drink, lol) - Slaphppy7 We miss you... - Compass thank you for the filter! - RiversGirl for the fun game! - SeaLady 

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    You could be on to something there. I know it's a long shot, but maybe you should try the next water change with water from upstairs. I know fry can be sensitive, but I have a constant cloud of texas cichlid fry in my tank these days and it seems the only thing that kills them off are the other texas cichlids. There could be some nasty lurking in the basement pipes that the loaches are susceptible to but the fry are not.
    When I go fishing I just place a sharp rock in the water and sit there waiting for all the dead fish to float to the top... Kingfisher
    Brutal honesty will be shown on this screen.
    I think my fish is adjusting well to the four gallon, He's laying on his side attempting to go to sleep on the bottom of the gravel.
    Tolerance is a great thing to have, so is the ability to shut up.

    I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.


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    There could be a slight to significant change in hardness, if you have metal pipes that are corroding in the basement, thus your tap is different and adding more minerals to your water than your fish are used to, causing them to go into osmotic shock.

    Just a thought. Test your water hardness (and pH) and see if it differs greatly from your other tanks.
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