Fluval 404 - Starts only after opened & spray bar/skimmer questions

**SamandAnne** · 05-29-2012, 02:06 PM

Hi,

My Fluval 404 will run consistently, but if it gets unplugged/power goes out, it needs to be opened up, the lid put back on, and re-pump primed before it will start up again. Any ideas?

Also, on separate notes, has anyone used a spraybar on this filter that was commercially bought (ie, not DIY!)? Anyone have any experience with the surface skimmer? How does it work and is it effective (and more so than using the standard intake)?

Thanks! Just curious of my options with this filter. I am using it mainly for bio filtration with sponges and bio-max. I have my original canister filter with lots more sponges and carbon.

**dbosman** · 05-31-2012, 03:47 AM

Many filters won't restart properly after a power outage. Gunk builds up on the impeller and settles during the down time. All you can do is make sure you clean the impeller and shaft every time you do a filter cleaning.

I use the spray bars that come with filters. I'm happy with them. I have some of the same model, purchase used, that don't have spray bars. I'm happy with just the single stream. The size of the tank and the water flow needs of the inhabitants is the question.

Surface skimmer for freshwater tanks can work great. They can also jam and not work, but that isn't usually an issue as the bottom intake still work. They have to float with the water level so just the surface film gets sucked in.

**SamandAnne** · 06-06-2012, 02:30 PM

Thanks! The filter did sit for a few months unused. Before that, it always restarted, and now it won't. It makes sense that something may have settled in that time, causing the problem. Any tips for cleaning out gunk that may have settled near the impellor? I try to be careful with the impellor and don't disturb it or remove it unless needed.

For the spray bar, does anyone have experience with getting a spray bar for this specific filter? It comes with something more like a powerhead and does not come with a spray bar. I have seen people make a DIY bar, but I don't think I'll be able to do that. I was wondering if any commercially available ones would fit this filter.

Would their be any advantage to the surface skimmer attachment?

Thanks!

**Lady Hobbs** · 06-06-2012, 02:40 PM

Oh gez....I hope the 404's do not have the same air lock problems the 305's have. My 305's run just great, silent, filter well but if I have to change the media then the old air lock problem appears again. EVERY time with one of my filters and now and then with the other. I can prime until my face is blue with no results.

Checking out the net, I see it's a very common problem with these filters and it's a PITA. Check the internet! The 404 is having the same issues.

**SamandAnne** · 01-31-2013, 03:36 PM

Thanks! I searched on air lock issues and wasn't sure it was the same thing...I saw your thread on the air lock issues here: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=82301

But for mine, it seems different, but let me know if I'm thinking of this wrong. My filter will run if you open the canister, close it, prime it, and plug it in. If you unplug it, then plug it back in, it will not run. In that case, you have to unplug it, open it, close it, prime it, and plug it in...and then it works again. So basically, if it goes off, you have to open it up and close it again for it to re-start. It's only an issue in an outage, but I'd really like to fix the problem, as outages do happen and I want to be sure there aren't other major problems down the road!

**CGY_Betta_Guy** · 01-31-2013, 08:04 PM

I have a 404 and a 405 both running with spraybars. No issues. They were purchased off e bay. I have also tried surface skimmer but found it unnecessary and kind of a pain when you need to feed the fish and it just sucks everything in. I dont like having to turn something off and run the risk of forgetting to turning it back on just to feed the fish. I didnt generally see surface scum unless I fed the tank with the lower quality foods.

Never heard of or experienced problems with these canisters restarting after power failure. I would check to see that the ball on the inlet basket inside the tank has not somehow suctioned itself closed. I know mine get clogged up with plant debris or the odd trumpet snail and the ball sometimes isnt able to move. The ball itself can be removed.