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    Default Found CAE dead, bloated. Starved, constipated, or dropsy?


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    I left home on Friday afternoon, and returned on Sunday morning to find my CAE dead, stiff and bloated at the bottom of my tank. I figured one day without food wouldn't do any harm if some aquarists purposely don't feed their fish one day per week (I normally feed mine every morning). I don't know if that's what killed it or if that's just a coincidence, and I don't want this to happen again, hence this post.

    I did notice before leaving that it had gotten rather large, but I thought it was just getting fat from being such a glutton (it used to chase the other fish away from bits of food). I also noticed a few days ago that it started being rather shy and reclusive. I didn't think much of it since I had put it in "timeout" to give my rams some peace for a few hours, and seemed to have become shy as a result.

    I did some googling and found that bloating can be a sign of constipation, or a symptom of dropsy. Opinions?

    Could it have starved in one day?
    Is constipation really a possible cause of death?
    If it is dropsy, how do I prevent it happening to my other fish?
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    3 Not allowed!
    one day without feeding is not enough time for a healthy fish to starve to death.

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    That's what I thought as well. But I'm still ambivalent about whether it was constipated or sick. Is there any way to tell the difference after death? In retrospect, it was "fat" and behaving funny for about a week, so I'm leaning towards sick. I should have reacted, but at least now I know better.
    You should probably know, I like to be silly and don't take myself too seriously; if something I said sounds offensive, you can safely assume I was joking. Feel free to respond in kind, I'm pretty thick-skinned.

    I'm a beginner and I'm here to learn, so if you see me doing something wrong, I'd like to hear about it please. That said I'm a huge nerd and I like to over-prepare, so unless it's obvious I haven't, you should take it I already did my research.

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    3 Not allowed!
    I am also sorry for your loss.

    Hopefully you can determine the cause, to ease your mind about this happening again. Towards that effort -- and if you wish it -- several members here are very willing to offer an experienced take on possible preventions for the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by Leeward View Post
    I did notice before leaving that it had gotten rather large, but I thought it was just getting fat from being such a glutton (it used to chase the other fish away from bits of food). I also noticed a few days ago that it started being rather shy and reclusive. I didn't think much of it since I had put it in "timeout" to give my rams some peace for a few hours, and seemed to have become shy as a result.

    As far as my own ability to help you, I would ask you more about the above in an effort to outline what happened for other members who have experience in keeping CAE. I apologize if you've answered these elsewhere.
    What do you mean about putting your CAE in a timeout? Did you move him to another tank, for example? Does the timing of when you returned him to the normal tank (if you did indeed move him) correlate with when he started to exhibit some of the symptoms you mention?

    Also, I just want to say I'm sorry for your loss, again. It is good that you've learned from this, and please know that 'seeing symptoms' of something off and fully recognizing such things as the symptoms that they are not the same thing. Often times it takes experience in seeing it, which unfortunately you just saw.

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    Thank you. I am a bit crestfallen about this, which is why I'm trying to find out what happened so that I don't let it happen again. I would be very grateful for any advice more experienced members could offer.

    By "timeout" I mean catching it at a moment when it was being aggressive, netting it out and putting it in a large round drinking glass (clean and made of glass) filled to 3/4 with tank water, floating in the tank. I only have one tank so I couldn't separate it any other way, but at least that rules out contamination from another tank. I left it in there for about 2h, swapping out some water around half-way. Pretty much immediately after I put it back in with the others, it started acting a lot more shy, hiding a lot more and no longer brazenly going at the other fish. That was about a month ago.

    About two weeks ago I started noticing it getting bigger in girth quite suddenly. Since I got it it was growing in length quite steadily, but it always remained fairly "lean" despite foraging basically all day. I did not notice any buoyancy or movement issues, but when I found it dead the corpse was sort of "ballooned" like it had air inside, even though it was on the gravel.
    You should probably know, I like to be silly and don't take myself too seriously; if something I said sounds offensive, you can safely assume I was joking. Feel free to respond in kind, I'm pretty thick-skinned.

    I'm a beginner and I'm here to learn, so if you see me doing something wrong, I'd like to hear about it please. That said I'm a huge nerd and I like to over-prepare, so unless it's obvious I haven't, you should take it I already did my research.

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    Hopefully others with experience in keeping CAE specifically will chime in, but my mind is already wondering if he sustained an injury during the capture/timeout/release. Do you think that his eyes were bulging, when you found him?

    In addition, I'm wondering about the duration (2 hours, you'd said) and if that small amount of water got depleted of oxygen with only that one wc.

    In short, my guess is that he sustained some damage during this timeout process and that eventually lead to his death.
    I'd be interested in other opinions -- mine is only a guess, as I've never kept this type of fish.

    I am sorry that you've lost him and hopeful still that you can learn from it all.

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    How big was the timeout container? How big was the CAE?

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    The eyes were not bulging, as far as I could tell. When it was alive it would occasionally "blink" by quickly swivelling its eyes down and back up again.

    I don't think it could have gotten injured, the glass it was in was round. Unless it smashed its face into the glass and concussed itself.

    The glass I'd guess is around 500ml, and the CAE was around 4-5cm long. It might have run low on oxygen, but surely it would have recovered after a month back in the tank? It seems like too long a delay.
    You should probably know, I like to be silly and don't take myself too seriously; if something I said sounds offensive, you can safely assume I was joking. Feel free to respond in kind, I'm pretty thick-skinned.

    I'm a beginner and I'm here to learn, so if you see me doing something wrong, I'd like to hear about it please. That said I'm a huge nerd and I like to over-prepare, so unless it's obvious I haven't, you should take it I already did my research.

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    Maybe, maybe not. Stress is funny that way. The CAE may not have had fully recovered from the stress of timeout, stayed stressed, and eventually its immunity wore down enough to allow it to become susceptible to pathogenic bacteria that exists in the aquarium.

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