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Thread: Beginner Help

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    I think the rest of my Tiger Barbs are fading. After the water change this morning. It lowered the ammonia level down to less than .25 ppm, the pH is still the same at 7.5, nitrite is at 0 ppm. My Tiger Barbs are not really moving, very lethargic, and one of them keeps going upside down. I am not sure what to do? What can I do? Any advice?

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    He is now sinking to the bottom of the tank, upside down. He is just laying there. His gills are moving and he is trying to swim, from time to time he swims a few inches away and stops, and then sinks back to the bottom.

    pH = 7.5
    ammonia = < .25 ppm
    nitrite = 0
    nitrate = 0

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    I'm so sorry this is happening. Doubly sorry that I can offer no explanation - other than the fish have been through a lot of stress - none of which is your fault. You've done everything right.

    It's quite possible the fish were already on a downward slide by the time you got them. It could have had ammonia poisoning that did too much damage to its lungs to recover from. It could have swim bladder disease from the water conditions. The tank was so small and you have no way of knowing what kind of a fishkeeper your aunt was. Apparently, she wasn't too experienced or she wouldn't have had the fish in such a small tank ... still that doesn't mean she didn't take the best care she could under the circumstances, but I suspect water quality early on is most likely the culprit.

    I'm hopeful someone will chime in with a possible solution but, sadly, I think there may be no hope for that particular barb.

    Just keep doing what you're doing for the rest of them. Hopefully they can rally and make it through. some fish in the same species are stronger than others, for whatever reason.
    good luck
    30 g FW planted:corys, ABNP, blue angel, harleys, zebra danios, pair kribs, & nerite snails
    15 g FW planted: crown tail betta, neons, snails
    90 g FW semi planted: EBJD, congos, apple snails
    90 Gal Journal: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=93939
    Fishless cycling: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ead.php?t=5640
    Cycling with fish: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=36492

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    Thanks fishmommie,

    My wife ran to a local aquarium shop to see what they think and if there is anything we need to treat the fish, but I don't think it will matter. He is slipping very quickly. I am sitting by the tank with him trying to do something i guess. Kind of feel helpless here, but doing what I can. Thanks again.

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    be wary of what the LFS might suggest. I don't mean to be horribly negative but often the 'experts' (especially at the big box stores) aren't experts at all and will end up selling you something you don't need. In this instance, I suspect they'll try to send her home with some bacteria booster or ammonia neutralizer or cycle starter. You don't need any of them.You're doing everything you need to do.
    And to treat a fish with some sort of medication when you really don't know what is wrong with it can be more harmful than good. They may even send her home with some aquarium salt -- again, not knowing what's wrong with the fish, could cause more harm than good, although salt, most likely would do the least damage. Plecos, however, are sensitive to salt so you have to go easy if you try something like that.

    One product you might want to have on hand, however, in addition to your water conditioner (and I've just been assuming you're using a water conditioner/dechlorinator) is Seachams Stability. It will minimize the bad effects of Ammonia in a tank where ammonia is an issue and many people use it when cycling a tank.

    Unfortunately, it sounds like the best thing you can do for that particular barb is euthanize it - no easy feat. Some people put them in a baggie of tank water and put them in the freezer. Some drop in boiling water (sounds cruel but it's fast and over). some simply squash them if they're not too large or make a fast, swift cut and end it. Again, not easy but not easy to watch them suffer either.

    Whatever you decide, I feel for you as I realize these fish represent more than 'just fish' for you because they were your aunt's. Please believe you have done the best you possibly could under the circumstances. And now you have a new hobby - one that you will enjoy once you get everything on a good footing.
    Last edited by fishmommie; 11-18-2012 at 07:59 PM.
    30 g FW planted:corys, ABNP, blue angel, harleys, zebra danios, pair kribs, & nerite snails
    15 g FW planted: crown tail betta, neons, snails
    90 g FW semi planted: EBJD, congos, apple snails
    90 Gal Journal: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=93939
    Fishless cycling: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ead.php?t=5640
    Cycling with fish: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=36492

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    Good Luck with the Aquarium!
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    pH = 7.5
    ammonia = < 0.25
    nitrite = 0.0
    nitrate = 0.0
    temp = 78 deg F

    Is there anything else that I need to check on? All four tiger barbs have died now. The pleco still seems to be fine for the moment.....Is there something else that could be wrong with the water? Should I get him out of the new tank?

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    you are using a dechlorinator, right?
    30 g FW planted:corys, ABNP, blue angel, harleys, zebra danios, pair kribs, & nerite snails
    15 g FW planted: crown tail betta, neons, snails
    90 g FW semi planted: EBJD, congos, apple snails
    90 Gal Journal: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=93939
    Fishless cycling: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ead.php?t=5640
    Cycling with fish: http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=36492

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    Yes I am. I am using Prime: Freshwater & Saltwater.

    http://www.amazon.com/Seachem-433-Pr...+dechlorinator

    This is a link to it here. I bought it at Petsmart. And I followed the directions on adding it.

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    Hey Webs!

    I too began my foray into fishkeeping at the beginning of this year by taking on a tank that was in dreadful condition that nobody else would save. (If you're super bored read that story here http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aqua...ad.php?t=88162)

    I can't think of anything that you have done that would cause the death of all of your tiger barbs. All I can say is this. Even though your Aunt surely loved her fish and took as good care of them as she knew how, they were kept in such a small tank that the long term ramifications may have been irreversible. They could have been in a severely weakened state and the stress of being first moved from her home, then moved again into a new larger tank was just too much for them to handle. If that is the case, then nothing you could have done would have prevented that outcome. I have had my tank for 8 months and all of the original fish that came from the bad situation have passed on including my beloved frog Dewey and my little boy Otis the Oticinclus.

    The positive thing is that you have been introduced into a hobby that I think you will flourish in. The effort you put into saving those fish, financial output included, tells me that you will be an excellent fish parent.

    My advice from here is to take good care of the pleco with the information that you have. While you wait until your tank is stable and cycled research what types of fish you like or might want to keep in your new aquarium. There are endless threads here in the forum that you can locate using the seach feature on different stocking options for various tank sizes. Come up with an aquascape that is pleasing to you whether that's gravel and plastic plants or a nice earthy aquarium sand and lush green plants (lighting may need to be upgraded if you want live plants). Then once your tank is fully cycled and stable have fun adding a few fish at a time until it is stocked how you want it.

    It is so thrilling to see your completed little ecosystem and a beautiful healthy aquarium gives a real sense of pride and accomplishment.
    Last edited by CrunchyLeaf; 11-18-2012 at 10:54 PM.
    ~Manna
    10 gallon live planted aquarium with 6 neons
    90 gallon fw community in progress

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