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Thread: unexplained Emperor pleco death
11-17-2012, 09:59 PM #41
Originally Posted by steeler1
11-18-2012, 07:20 AM #42
0Originally Posted by fishmommieThree-fourths of the Earth's surface is water, and one-fourth is land. It is quite clear that the good Lord intended us to spend triple the amount of time fishing as taking care of the lawn. ~Chuck Clark
11-18-2012, 11:29 AM #43
0Originally Posted by escamosa
11-18-2012, 12:42 PM #44
thanks guys ... I know you are all against UGFs and I will never discount anything the experts here on this forum suggest ... i'm just having trouble reconciling your experiences with the experiences of my LFS owner who has used nothing but UGfs combined with canisters with all of his many, many fish tanks for many many years. And his motive for selling me the ugf can't be money. he could have made a lot more money from me selling me 2 canisters over 1 canister + the Ugf.
I added a HOB a month ago because of your concerns which became my concerns, yet I remain in a quandary. nitrates consistently run less than 5 in this tank. best of all my tanks so the idea of a complete tear down to remove the UGF is just daunting
But I will definitely think about it ...
thanks as always. I so appreciate your thoughts.
11-26-2012, 02:09 AM #45
Have been watching the tank a little closer. I think I might have a bully angel fish. NOT to the swimmers but to the pleco. He's been hanging around the filter intake tube where the pleco is hiding on the back. So maybe he's my culprit. Maybe that's why the emperor hid all the time and perhaps the angel got him?
I got a BN a few weeks ago and was upset because my angel was so mean to him. I was lucky because Angel just stocks him now but the point I'm trying to make is angel went after my BN big time none of the other fish but she would not leave him alone so it very well could be you have a very aggressive angel with a thing for Pleco. She would even take the algae wafers away from him...30 gal Freshwater
1 young Angel, 6 Pepper Corydoras, 5 Harlequin Rasbora 1 Bristle-nose Pleco
11-28-2012, 07:48 PM #46
0Originally Posted by butterbean
11-30-2012, 10:28 AM #47
0Originally Posted by fishmommie
Does your UGF have filter media? To my knowledge, none of them have any. They rely on the substrate to be your bio-filter.
Where does the bulk of the beneficial bacteria (bio-filter) live in your tank? In your filter media.
How much filter media is in a canister filter? Heaps of it. This is why a combination of a UGF and a canister appears to work so well... The canister is doing 99% of the work.
How do you maintain a UGF? Yep, you can vacuum the gravel, but what about the stuff that builds up UNDER the gravel and the plastic grid?
Never think that a LFS owner or worker is selling you something out of the goodness of his or her heart. It's all about profit most of the time. Just because a canister filter is $250, doesn't mean that the LFS is making more money on it. They could be selling those canisters for a 10% profit to stay competitive, and they could be making anything up to 200% or more profit on the UGFs, which they probably buy for 5 or 6 bucks - maybe less. AND there's a fair chance that you'll have to buy a pump, airline, airstones, or some kind of powerhead to run it. Plus, he or she has already sold you a UGF and a canister, and if you find out later that the UGF isn't any good, then you're going to go back and buy another filter. That's just more profit.
A lot of LFSs use the UGFs because they're cheap, there is less to see, and while they make the water look ok, they seem to believe that they require less cleaning. I don't think to many LFS owners or workers do weekly gravel vacuums, or pull the gravel and plastic grid of the UGF out of the tank each week to clean the tank properly.
That's how it works in most LFSs - I used to work in one.Three-fourths of the Earth's surface is water, and one-fourth is land. It is quite clear that the good Lord intended us to spend triple the amount of time fishing as taking care of the lawn. ~Chuck Clark
11-30-2012, 11:12 AM #48
.....CINDY....there's a wicked echo around here..I just heard myself giving you advice about that UGF....funny thing is the echo came all the way from Australia..............yodelayhewhoooooooo..
oh Lord, I apologize.....I just couldn't help myself.
11-30-2012, 01:52 PM #49
Escamosa and Taurus - I hear you both loud and clear (shades of Hiedi echoing through the Alps). But, and I realize it's a bit but (ahem) I can not fathom why, at this point, I would want to fix something that's not broken.
The tank is healthy, the algae is no longer an issue, the nitrates run around 5 - 10. The thought of tearing the tank apart to remove the UGF is not only daunting but troubling to me.
I'd have to net all the fish and put them - I don't know where. Bathtub? with a bubbler? Somehow get my humongous piece of anchored driftwood out of the tank (no easy feat because it took a village to get it in there, wedge the UGF grates out from under 90 pounds of gravel, which I'd probably also have to scoop out so I could make certain I got all the mulm out of the bottom, then reboot and HOPE I could achieve the same beautiful water and tank chemistry that I've got now. I can see it creating cloudy water for days. And I can see this project taking a solid day to complete. In the meantime ... the stress on my fish would bee horrific. Most likely, the little BP's would go back into hiding for another month LOL>
So --- much as I appreciate this very good advice, until I see my water quality slipping, I'm not touching it. I'm going to also trust in my LFS person who has also had years and years of experience, keeps several tanks at his home with nothing but ugf and canisters and swears by this method of filtration.
I'm using nothing but sponges and bioballs in the canister along with filter floss I've made myself from polyfiber fill. The hob also has the filter cartridge that came with it but when it falls apart, I'll replace it with fiber fill.
So - again, thanks guys. Respect ALL you have told me and taught me immensely but (there's that but again) I'm going to stay the course until, as I said, I see a degradation of my water quality.
Smooches .... FM
12-04-2012, 11:56 AM #50
Tearing out an UGF is a horrible job that essentially means a rebuilt. Not something to take lightly. If the water values are good (and the readings seems to support that) then I can understand why you wouldn't want to do that.
If I wanted to change away from an UGF I think I'd buy a cannister, set that running and after 2 months or so just disable the UGF and remove the bits that stick out, leave the rest in there. Then again I might be wrong.