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chrisiom
08-04-2012, 09:47 AM
Hey all who read, I'm generally new to pond fish although i have kept fish most my life just in tanks. i have 3 types of goldfish in my newly built raised pond Common/Fantail/Calico, now i have never seen any fish in any situation act in a manner as this. Every fish all of them are racing around the pond beating each other, they are not picking on single fish and beating but just totally aggressive towards each other.

I have just today had to treat the water for fungal infection i had on a couple of fish.... i did think i may have had white-spot as a few were thrashing against objects. but i just really don't know whats going on as I've said i really have never seen behavior like this. I'm going to try get a video to upload and attach if possible.

plz any advice or comments welcome.

Lady Hobbs
08-04-2012, 09:56 AM
You said you recently set the pond up but did you cycle it? Ponds need to be cycled just like fish tanks. Fish have been known to try to escape from uncycled conditions and I wonder if they could be doing something like that to get out of their situation.

I will move this to the pond part of the forum for our pond people to help you.

chrisiom
08-04-2012, 10:03 AM
hey ty for quick response, yes it's been about 2 months now complete and i have had to do 2 20% water change as the bacterial bloom was so large. and here is a vid i just took of them going crazy.

Lady Hobbs
08-04-2012, 10:04 AM
I just read Commons and Fantails should not be kept together.

I would do a much larger water. If it is ammonia, it could be burning them causing discomfort and agitation.

Post the vid on YouTube if you can and then put the link here.

chrisiom
08-04-2012, 10:13 AM
hmm strange having trouble with the upload of the Vid, yes at one point i did think it come be ammonia burning but i treated for that last week and tested ph but coming out between 7.1/7.4. i also have a large UV filtration kit which as i understand is larger than i really need. it pumps around 4500 L/ph

chrisiom
08-04-2012, 10:18 AM
just uploading atm to y/tube taking awhile for some reason only 138mb file

Lady Hobbs
08-04-2012, 10:19 AM
20 gallons of water isn't much of a water change for a pond. I change more than that every week on my 55 gallon fish tanks and they're cycled. But water changes are easy and quick and if it helps at all, I sure would try it just incase of ammonia. If it's been cycling, then it will also have high nitrites and nitrates.

What size is this pond? You may have to move the little fantail if the common gets aggressive with him, too.

We do have pond people here altho most of them are probably sleeping right now. It's 6 AM and I'm only here because I was too dumb to go to bed 6 hours ago.

chrisiom
08-04-2012, 10:27 AM
haha lol, sorry i must have miss typed i said i have done 2 20 percent water changes in 2/3 months and the approx size of the pond is 2500/2700 liters or more. the pond is 2 meters wide 5ft deep semi circle shape it's quite large. and here is the vid link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6dCxFHtz98&feature=youtu.be

chrisiom
08-04-2012, 10:38 AM
dam theirs another fish gone beaten...... that 4 in the last week

chrisiom
08-04-2012, 10:40 AM
right just done some sums working out liters to gallons i worked it to be roughly 550 gallon pond, put it this way if i give up using as a pond it could easily convert to a 3 persons jacuzzi!!

smaug
08-04-2012, 12:18 PM
That is common behaviour and will work itself out it is stressfull as the fish being chased get very little rest and it can wear them out,to death as you have seen. When you say fancy,do you mean long taial sarassa comets like the red and white ones? I don't see any fancy tail goldys in that vid and whatever you do don't add any. They cannot competed with commons and comets. What you are seeing is males chasing around the fems and it does settle down after a few months. You are not overstocked and you do not need water changes,get mcrobelift spring summer pond cleaner packs and use them as directed. Do you have a biofilter you runt the water through,if not you need about 5 gallons worth.
Plz do not be tempted to stock koi,they get far too large for that size pond.

secuono
08-04-2012, 02:48 PM
They are chasing the females. That's my guess, but if the females aren't ready and full of eggs, all you'll see is beat up fish and injuries.

Lady Hobbs
08-04-2012, 04:53 PM
I agree with smaug after seeing the video. I thought prior to the video they were being hunted down and murdered but you can see it's mating behavior. Gez........they remind me of danio's !!!!! Determined!

I also now agree with the water changes previously mentioned. My thoughts were you had a small pond and obviously you do not. Smaug has a stocked pond so he knows what he's talking about and why I hoped some pond people would respond to help ya.

I wonder if you should add more females?

smaug
08-04-2012, 05:54 PM
The chasing is something that happens when newbies are first added,sort of a fresh meat syndrome! When I didnt know much about goldys I added fancytails to my pond with established comets,it was a rape scene,the poor fancys actually got lifted up out of the water,I caught them all out and added them back in a few days later at night 1 at a time. It worked to save there life but they still got harassed pretty bad.

Lady Hobbs
08-04-2012, 06:25 PM
Perhaps why fantails and commons should not be together? You know how you guys are when a pretty girl walks into a room full of doggy- looking women.

smaug
08-04-2012, 06:55 PM
Perhaps why fantails and commons should not be together? You know how you guys are when a pretty girl walks into a room full of doggy- looking women.
(blush)(blush),,,,,,,,,aw shucks

tomtgael
08-04-2012, 07:05 PM
They're breeding!

smaug
08-04-2012, 07:22 PM
They're breeding!
Was that a question or an epiphany:hmm3grin2orange:

chrisiom
08-05-2012, 08:18 AM
well thanks guys for all the info, it seems this morning the 5 day crazy has subsided. i have been looking a lot into breeding habits and behaviors. i have noticed on the larger 3 fish they all seem to be the males as they have the tiny white pimples on the gill flaps. i did also separate one of the fish that was being beaten for a few hours so it could regain strength seemed to do the job he/she got left alone.

Lady Hobbs
08-05-2012, 06:44 PM
Good to hear this.