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pyroiow
02-09-2012, 10:02 PM
Hello Does anyone have any idear what is wrong with the plec in the picture? Im quessing it has something to do with the water as the filter pump i was given does not work any help would be greately apreciated :)

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MLBfan
02-09-2012, 10:09 PM
I don't know what is wrong, but I have a question, is that substrate just gravel? Also, what is the tank size and water parameters?

pyroiow
02-09-2012, 10:16 PM
Its a mixture of gravel stones and fish poo lol, this tank is poorly set up im looking after it for a firend it had no light untill today and the pump it came with is broken. The tank is 2ft by 1ft and holds about 60 liters

Brhino
02-09-2012, 10:21 PM
those are stress markings. Between the piles of poo, the lack of a working filter, and the small tank size (far too small for the pleco) It's a good bet that that water is a toxic nightmare. The pleco (and any other fish in there) are likely to be susceptible to a range of problems, from stress (as shown by the markings) to illness to death.

If you were the owner of the tank I would give you tips for improving the water conditions while stressing that even when properly maintained it would not be a healthy environment for a pleco. But you're watching it for someone else, so the situation may be different. How long are you watching it for? Are you willing to put any time/effort/money into improving things?

Lady Hobbs
02-09-2012, 10:22 PM
First of all, a common pleco doesn't have much of a life in a 2 ft tank when the pleco reaches one foot himself. But he looks to me as he is developing a bacterial problem. Another thing to check is the caves he's crawling into. If he hasn't enough room, he may be scraping his back trying to get in and back out.

pyroiow
02-09-2012, 10:28 PM
It looks like i will have it for a long time i have emailed the owner but no reply have allready lost one of his fish through what i belive was stress due to water and the way in which they were transported. I am willing to put myh time and effot into helping them out money is the key issue at the momment barrely keeping myself healthly but any sujestions you have would be very helpfull. im a little unsure on the pleco being to big for the tank he is 8inchs end to end is that realy too big for a 2ft tank? thank you for your quick reply obviously this is a worrying issue

pyroiow
02-09-2012, 10:31 PM
i dont belive he is rubbing against anything he pretty much lies behind the wood, i did wonder if it was burns from the heater so i moved it higher but i dont see how it would be burns

pyroiow
02-09-2012, 10:44 PM
Thanks for you help and quick responce people im going to beg my local fish store tommrow :)

MLBfan
02-09-2012, 10:57 PM
im a little unsure on the pleco being to big for the tank he is 8inchs end to end is that realy too big for a 2ft tank?
8 inches is MUCH too big for a 2 ft tank, to read on what common plecos need, click here (http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/pleco/common.php)

I'm confused by this:
im going to beg my local fish store tommrow :)
are you returning the fish, I would HIGHLY recommend this if you cannot take propper care for it.

Crispy
02-09-2012, 11:33 PM
give the tank a good gravel vac, 40-50% water change, and get a filter for starters.

while it's great that you are here seeking advice for your inherited fish, without a bit of money to drop into that setup, you're not going to have much success.

I would rehome the pleco, empty the tank, and save up for a nice filter. while you are saving, you could research proper fish for that size aquarium. it will pay off in the longrun when you finally have a setup that works. :fish:

pyroiow
02-10-2012, 12:01 AM
What i ment by beg the shop is that im going to go to the fish shop tommrow and ask them if they can either let me have a filter and let me pay for it over the next few weeks and if not ask them to rehome the plec onece i have spoken to the owner of course,

In the mean time im off to clean the gravel I would use a vac but dont even have that ,chaseing the muk around with a net dosent work very well :/ and change 40 - 50 % of the water

I will update you guys on here on how he's doing there is also a solo Gourami in the tank he seams to be fine although his partner the agresive (more like stressed) parrot cichlid went pale died a few days after he got here :(

Lady Hobbs
02-10-2012, 12:12 AM
Sorry but the fish store is simply not going to let you take a filter out of the store and pay for it when you get around to it.

Fish are like any pets we have. If we do not have the means to care for them, then we should not have them until we do. No different than having a dog that needs to go to the vet, needs proper food and needs medication.

AzCichlids
02-10-2012, 12:47 AM
Those definitely look like stress marks. My pleco gets them when I clean the tank or turn the light on when hes enjoying his night time feeding. The pleco seems to be a resilient fish though.

pyroiow
02-10-2012, 10:21 AM
Lady Hobbs i apreiciate what you are saying and yes i know this but you obviously havnt read my problem in full, ive pretty much been landed with ill fish without equipment or means to help them however i live in a small town and i belive a trip to the shop in a mo will be sucsessfull and if its not i dont think they will have any problems rehomeing them

Lady Hobbs
02-10-2012, 12:22 PM
My reply was directed to the person who was keeping him, not you. Apparently he doesn't much care for his fish and he should not have them if he doesn't.

pyroiow
02-10-2012, 10:04 PM
water levals checked and good a little off but nouthing dangerous the plec is as most of you say stressed i also have a filter now turns out they were nice at the fish shop :)

pyroiow
02-10-2012, 10:06 PM
Lady hobs sorry this has been a very stressfull few weeks thank you all for your advice and input :) will be posting on here if i need any more help or have any more questions and will also try and help where i can when my knowlegde expands a little :)

Crispy
02-10-2012, 10:46 PM
you're going to need a gravel vac to frequently vacuum all that pleco poop. they are poop-machines. :fish:

pyroiow
02-10-2012, 10:51 PM
indeed they are i was just looking them up online think im going to make a make shift mouth suction styled one lil bit of a risky way but as long as it does the job :)

MLBfan
02-10-2012, 11:01 PM
I'm glad your getting this fish a better quality life!

ElizabethJKR
02-11-2012, 03:42 AM
I'm glad you saved this fish from fish heaven.

I would also try to save up enough money to buy a much larger tank, something like 55 gallons. Most Pleco's can get up to 18inches long.

Hopefully this fish lives a good healthy life with you now.