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mdt62
08-27-2011, 12:08 AM
I have a 75gal tank. Its currently unstocked and Im looking to do a fresh water setup and gar were one of the fish I was considering. I'm reading many different suggestions on tank size. Is my tank too small? Look forward to getting opinions from people who know. Thanks in advance.

cer
08-27-2011, 12:36 AM
For most species of gar a 180 gallon is the minimal size tank.

angel_love
08-27-2011, 01:15 AM
75 will be ok for a while, it will eventually need a bigger tank. My friend has a gar in a 20 gallon, needless to say I freaked out on him....that poor fish is probably stunted by now :(

Crispy
08-27-2011, 08:14 AM
gar are very cool fish, but they will need a big footprint. 180g would be the smallest I would go.

mdt62
08-27-2011, 03:31 PM
How long do you think I would be able to keep one? Also what are other options of interesting fish I can keep without getting a bigger tank. I'm read up pretty well on salt water fish but the fresh water have just recently become interesting to me.

Fisharefriends27
08-27-2011, 03:35 PM
I would just stock the tank you have.
What type of fish do you want? Like aggressive fish, maybe schooling fish, or cory's,you know what I mean? Like what are you looking for? A big aggressive fish or a nice community tank?

Lady Hobbs
08-27-2011, 03:38 PM
Please do not buy fish with the intention someday you will have a larger tank. Make sure you have the tank first! So many times peoples best intentions do not work out and they end up with the wrong fish for their tank. Fish grow very fast and a year from now, you just might not have the funds needed to go huge.

Lady Hobbs
08-27-2011, 03:56 PM
I clicked over onto your old posts and in 2009 you were going to set up a saltwater tank. Is this the same tank? What happened to the saltwater? I see even back then you were trying to buy fish too large for the tank and Jenn was giving you lots of advice back then. So.....what have you been keeping in that tank all this time?

mdt62
08-27-2011, 05:03 PM
I see we have a detective. This is the same tank, it was never stocked. I recently bought my first home and choose not to set up the tank because I didnt want to move it once it was set up. I've settled in now so its time to do something. I made the choice to not do saltwater as it was starting to get too expensive and I've other hobbies. My intention is not to keep fish too large for my tank, thats why Im asking questions. My goal here to is to keep predatory/aggressive fish that will fit in the tank I have and not require a larger one anytime in the next few years.

Also, I read this forum quite often even though I dont usually have anything to post. I understand many people keep fish in tanks not sutied for their size. Im not irresponsible in any part of my life and this is no different. I've no intention of mistreating these animals and I want to make that clear. Im just trying to gather knowledge from the people that know as clearly my LFS doesnt know much (lady told me I could keep gar in my tank no problem). Not a rant but Im not going to be judged or have people assume my intentions.

So, that having been said back to the good stuff. I thank those of you that have begun to offer your opinons and look forward to helpful advace of fish Ill enjoy keeping. Thanks :22:

Lady Hobbs
08-27-2011, 05:19 PM
LOL No detective but I often read old posts as well to see what other problems they had in the past so I'm not repeating old advice they already heard.

I also thought perhaps you still had the saltwater and had bought a new tank. I would sure be sitting on pins and needles to have a tank empty so long. I'd be good for about 3 days there. :)

Have you ever thought of having a mbuna tank? A 75 is a good size for africans. Sorry my post sounded judgemental to you. Didn't mean for it to. Just do your research like you are before buying and you'll do great.

cer
08-27-2011, 06:05 PM
Sengal Bichicrs are a cool looking predator that will fit in your tank. Or you could do what Lady Hobbs said and have african cichlids.

mdt62
08-27-2011, 06:06 PM
Its wasnt easy to leave it empty all this time but buying my house was pretty important as you might imagine. Im open to all opinions and options. There is so much out there so I dont even know where to start looking. That's why I figured i'd just ask you guys and then read up on what ideas you throw out. Keep 'em coming!

cer
08-27-2011, 06:35 PM
My suggestion would be to surf the web a little find a fish you like and see what type of tank you can build around that.

mdt62
08-27-2011, 06:55 PM
My suggestion would be to surf the web a little find a fish you like and see what type of tank you can build around that.

Kind of how I came to the whole wanting a gar. I read I could keep needle nose gar in a 75 gal tank. Is this true?

mdt62
08-27-2011, 07:51 PM
Does anyone have experience with Black ghost knife fish?

angel_love
08-28-2011, 06:13 PM
A black ghost will outgrow your tank too, unfortunately. I would love to keep one but I don't have room for anything bigger than a 75 at the moment.

Kay3707
08-28-2011, 07:22 PM
How about an Oscar?

Demjor19
08-28-2011, 08:23 PM
No true Gar species can be kept in a 75 gallon for life. At most you would get about 2-3 years out of it, then would either have to rehome the fish or upgrade.

mdt62
08-28-2011, 08:36 PM
As of right now I am leaning towards Discus or some kind of cichlids. Its getting difficult and confusing to know what I can keep in my tank as the website I am using says I can keep Black Ghost Knife but you guys say I cant?

http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=830+836+857&pcatid=857

Certainly not saying anyone here doesnt know what they are talking about but Im getting different info from different places. I would like to try and keep a few discus (4 or so) along with the BGK. ??

angel_love
08-28-2011, 09:56 PM
Black ghosts have the potential to get over a foot long and discus need pristine water and a well established tank, not to mention they should be kept in a species tank. What about a group of eartheaters? Geophagus jurupari, red head tapajos, or anything in the guinacara family won't disappoint.

cer
08-28-2011, 11:56 PM
Live Aquaria is good for buying fish but not for information.

Demjor19
08-29-2011, 04:46 AM
I say a Black Ghost Knife would be just fine in a 75 gallon. I have heard of them getting fairly large, but it should still be fine in your tank.

If you are a beginner, I'm not sure I would recommend Discus.

mdt62
08-29-2011, 08:19 PM
If you are a beginner, I'm not sure I would recommend Discus.

Yeah, Im starting to get that impression. I dont think I am going to go that route after all mostly based on the price per fish and knowing I need quite a few of them in order for them to be happy. Tank mates for Black Ghost knife? Safe to assume cichlids are out of the question?

angel_love
08-30-2011, 02:38 AM
If you are going to get a black ghost I would suggest some top dwellers. Maybe a school of rainbow fish since they get a decent size and won't get nomnom'd by the knife fish.

Demjor19
08-31-2011, 01:29 PM
Some of the more peaceful cichlids would probably work fine w/ your BGK. Maybe a Severum, Angels, or a Uaru. You may also want to look into some of the dwarf cichlid species.