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Strider199
06-28-2011, 12:03 AM
I was just looking at my shrimp only tank and this little worm like thing was racing it's way across the front glass. It went down into the substrate and half buried itself for a few seconds and than started to scoot across the substrate. The RCS seem to feel it coming and get out of it's way. How this little beastie got into the tank is a mystery (probably on a plant). The tank hasn't had anything new introduced into it for about 2 months and it's the first I've seen of this flat worm. Does anyone know if it preys on shrimp or is it a plant eater?

troy
06-28-2011, 04:40 AM
They don't eat shrimp but they do compete for food with them.

Strider199
06-28-2011, 10:54 PM
I was watching this little flat worm motoring through the tank last night. When it got near a shrimp it would kind of lunge at the shrimp which would dart away. The flat worm would be half upright like it was smelling it's surroundings after the shrimp left it in the dust.
After about 30 minutes of this going on perhaps 5 times I went and got my planting tweezers. Got the little bug on the first attempt and put it under extremely hot water and then into the green bin.
So far I have only found one in the tank but I'm sure if there is one, there are more.
I've had tanks since the early '70's and thats the first Flat worm I've come across. I'm guessing it came from a small Anubis I bought at Pet Smart. It's the only plant besides the Java Moss that I didn't take out of my 55 gallon tank.

Strider199
07-29-2011, 02:02 AM
Ok so it's been about a month since I got that flat worm out of my tank. Today I decided to get the snails out of the tank and there were a few more of these planaria on the glass. I used a small brine shrimp net on the snails and got the turkey baster for the flat worms.
Well after 4 hours it's like a video game. The planaria just seem to come out of no where after I sucked up the ones I could see.
After searching some on this site I see I have made a mistake in the amount of food I am feeding my RCS and that these little flat worms are the result in over feeding. I can cure that.
Now as for vacuuming the substrate thats where it gets tricky. I have mainly Fluval Stratum which is very light and easily sucked up besides it makes a bit of a mess when disturbed. The other hindrance would be the small baby shrimp. I know I could use something like a nylon over the vacuum tube but would that still clean enough?
I also searched for some fish that would eat the flatworms but they would also eat the RCS unless I missed that article.

Besides what I'm doing with the turkey baster and lessening my feeding are there other things I could be doing? How do we vacuum our shrimp tanks?

Strider199
07-29-2011, 04:55 PM
Bump. Anyone?

bignellm
07-29-2011, 05:17 PM
I've been looking into the research on this and come across several threads. many of which suggested the information on the site below. In your position, I would cut back on the food and continue the video game method of removing them. A last resort method can be found below.

Seems they also possess traits that are like pond snails. In that they multiply rapidly by either Asexual or Sexual reproduction. In addition, they are like plants and starfish in that they regrow limbs and each cut up piece can become a new worm. At least they aren't parasitical, just annoying.

Sorry I couldn't be more help.

http://www.planetinverts.com/killing_planaria_and_hydra.html

Lady Hobbs
07-29-2011, 05:38 PM
If your tank is not planted, I'd also clean the gravel well to get the excess food out of there.

Strider199
07-29-2011, 05:44 PM
Thanks for the link bignellm, I was there yesterday and didn't find anything new. "Annoying" is right." I'm not going to medicate the tank for this outbreak.

The tank is well planted with driftwood so I'm being really careful not to hurt the plants and the shrimp.

bignellm
07-29-2011, 05:51 PM
Thanks for the link bignellm, I was there yesterday and didn't find anything new. "Annoying" is right." I'm not going to medicate the tank for this outbreak.

The tank is well planted with driftwood so I'm being really careful not to hurt the plants and the shrimp.

Seems your on a war of attrition then. Starve the little suckers. It's the kinda fight I'm in with Pond Snails. Got an Assassin, but the guy is just so hopelessly outnumbered. So, I'm trying to starve the things. If that doesn't work, I'm going to Airlift out my Friendly snails and Call in Loach Team 1 to kill em all off.

Strider199
07-29-2011, 07:24 PM
The shrimp tank also had/has pond snail in it as well. I think I've taken some 30 snails out along with at least 100 flatworms. I thought the flatworms would be taken care of with some good old tap water but after 30 minutes they are still slithering around the bucket. Next trick, HOT water.

MCools
07-29-2011, 08:19 PM
If the hot water doesn't work, you might want to consider this option: put the buggers in a bucket or something you don't use for fish (something destined for the recycling bin maybe) and pour in some straight ammonia. It works wonders for killing snails!

Strider199
07-29-2011, 08:30 PM
Thanks MCools for that info. I was getting the bleach ready for round 2 but the scalding water worked. I will keep the bleach handy for the pond snails though, I've crushed my fair share the last 24 hours. :22:

bignellm
07-29-2011, 09:38 PM
Thanks MCools for that info. I was getting the bleach ready for round 2 but the scalding water worked. I will keep the bleach handy for the pond snails though, I've crushed my fair share the last 24 hours. :22:

Took out the first wave of em, ey? I will make note of the hot water...

Strider199
07-29-2011, 09:44 PM
I sure hope it was more than the first round but your probably right. I've gone down to that tank every 15 minutes to suck up the flatworms and snails since yesterday afternoon. We're down to 2-3 flatworms every 15 minutes and 0 snails. Thats down from double digits yesterday evening.

bignellm
07-29-2011, 09:51 PM
Well, the battle is won then for ya every 15 mins... The War continues.

Strider199
07-31-2011, 11:50 PM
Well after three days of sucking out these flatworms with a turkey baster, your right bignellm, "the battle is won then for ya every 15 mins... The War continues."
The war continues. The worms I am now snagging are alot smaller and there are only a few every 30 minutes but it's still a pain. I wish I could just take all the shrimp out, discard the substrate for new, clean the plants and driftwood for pariasites and clean the tank completely. Since that isn't happening at this time I will continue to fight the flatworm war with the turkey baster.

bignellm
07-31-2011, 11:56 PM
Well, it won't be forever; like some wars fought by great nations of old. But it will probably be a pain for a long time. At least you know your hitting a younger generation now, since their smaller. Guess their finally hitting the draft picks :22:

I'm still thinking about purchasing 4 small clown loaches to form Loach Team 1 for my tactical strike on the Pond Snail invaders.

Strider199
08-01-2011, 12:03 AM
If I could get a fish in that tank to clean up my mess I would definitely get one. They are way more efficient at that then I will ever be. Unfortunately, fish eat shrimp so thats out for me but in your case I would definitely consider loaches for your snail problem as long as your tank has the capacity and your stock permits.
Mother nature always wins in the end.

bignellm
08-01-2011, 12:09 AM
If I could get a fish in that tank to clean up my mess I would definitely get one. They are way more efficient at that then I will ever be. Unfortunately, fish eat shrimp so thats out for me but in your case I would definitely consider loaches for your snail problem as long as your tank has the capacity and your stock permits.
Mother nature always wins in the end.

My tank is probably too small for them to stay for any period of time. I would have to airlift out my cool snails and the smallest 5 Platy.

Cyberra
08-02-2011, 01:39 AM
*has been having the mental image of clown loaches wearing camo uniforms and carrying tiny machine guns in their pectorals while reading this thread* XD;;;;;;;

bignellm
08-02-2011, 02:44 AM
*has been having the mental image of clown loaches wearing camo uniforms and carrying tiny machine guns in their pectorals while reading this thread* XD;;;;;;;

That's the idea about Operation--Pond Snail Erradication
If the PS keep out pacing my Assassin, I will send in:
Loach Team 1 :sniperprone:

Strider199
08-02-2011, 10:20 PM
LOL @ where this conversation has gone too. :hmm3grin2orange:

Strider199
08-03-2011, 01:48 AM
Ok it's been almost a week now and I don't think I'm getting enough of these little flatworms so; a while ago I saw a shrimp trap on utube that would catch your RCS in a container so you didn't need to net them out. That gave me a thought, can one make a flatworm trap? Apparently yes one can. I googled the subject and sure enough others have come up with said device. I made my first one tonight and placed it in the shrimp tank. Lets see what happens.

bignellm
08-03-2011, 03:08 AM
Going for the landmine option huh? Hehe. Sometimes mechanical contraptions are the way to go in war. :sniperprone:

Strider199
08-07-2011, 06:21 PM
Update on the DIY planaria trap. "Dont bother with it.".
First of all it really didn't attract that many flatworms.
Second, it made a mess of my water.
Third, I had this really weird algae start growing on my plants. Looked like white spider webs also known as thread algae.

Maybe I left the trap in the tank too long, 2 days, or maybe the bait wasn't what I needed. I used shrimp pellets instead of raw meat, fish, or prawn as the video shows.

I'm back to plucking the littles worms out with my turkey baster.

Now mind you I am having a difficult time finding these worms in any numbers lately. One per hour is my haul at this time.

bignellm
08-07-2011, 09:49 PM
Sorry to hear about the trap. A minor set back in your war. Hope the starve the suckers out and sniper operations finish off these Insurgents.
:sniperprone: :snipersmiley:
:sniperdark:

Fisharefriends27
08-07-2011, 09:52 PM
They sound like a pain. I have detritus worms and I tore down my tank got new gravel washed everything and let it dry, they're still there. I just love with them cause they are pretty much impossible to get rid of.

bignellm
08-07-2011, 10:06 PM
My combined "War of Attrition" and my "Assassin" are finally making a dent in the
Pond Snail Insurgents in my 16 gallon. Which brings up the new front in my war. I now have a Pond Snail invasion force in my new Craig's List 10 gallon fry tank. WTF!?!?!

Only found two, but one is a disaster, if not caught soon enough. So, now I'm hunting in the 10 gallon as an Assassin, as my Assassin is completing his solitary mission "Operation Pond Snail Eradication"
:sniperprone:

Strider199
08-08-2011, 12:08 AM
I feel for you bignellm. I was lucky enough to eradicate my pond snails (same shrimp tank) in the first 3 days. Haven't seen a snail or eggs in over a week. I used the old pick and scrap method.

bignellm
08-08-2011, 12:40 AM
I feel for you bignellm. I was lucky enough to eradicate my pond snails (same shrimp tank) in the first 3 days. Haven't seen a snail or eggs in over a week. I used the old pick and scrap method.

Well, with a real lack of bottom feeder food, I hope to win the war on the 10 gallon super fast. They should starve off real soon. Though, I am wondering something. I had 4 Ghost Shrimp in there, I was feeding, and now I'm down to 1. I think the one, cannibalized the other three as one of the three was torn apart. I'm also hoping that this tank never had copper in it. They said they never treated for Ich... but never know. Might find out in a week or so, when I try to add a white diffusa apple snail. I don't think the last shrimp will make it.

Lady Hobbs
08-08-2011, 12:44 AM
I kill my pond snails with hot water too. Dump the substrate in a bucket, fill with the hottest water I have and within minutes they are goners.

bignellm
08-08-2011, 01:01 AM
I kill my pond snails with hot water too. Dump the substrate in a bucket, fill with the hottest water I have and within minutes they are goners.

Was doing this with the substrate (boiled down water rinse before set up), but didn't go microscoping on the Water Lettuce. So, hoping starvation finishes the little buggers off. Side note: Nursing Blush (wife's yellow hi fin platy) is getting touch and go. She's spitting out have the food given. Finally got her to eat a few flakes. Guppy and Danio are going to have the fart bombs later (considering they ate all the smushed pea I was trying to feed Blush).

I think slow starvation is working pretty well on the regular tank as well. Finally not seeing soo many wall clingers. Assassin may also be making his/her dent too.