Severums? Addition to my 125g

[eroc1085]

I'm looking to add to my 125


I realy like severums and located a breeder with a decent price for reds and golds, they are currently 2.5-4".

Current Stock:
1x 8" irredesent shark (that i adopted bc the people had it in a 30gal)
2x Rainbow cichlids (3" and 2")
2x dwf jelly bean parrot (2") (which i don't think are parrots at all)
1x firemouth (3")
1x salvini (3")

Filtration: AC110 HOB and a Fluval 405 canister.

Do you think i would be ok with 2-4 sevs? And i'm asking more long-term. They'd be fine if they stayed the 2.5". I'm thinking into adulthood. Any input, suggestions... ??

[Sandz]

I think you could get away with the bioload depending on your filter but I would be looking at 2 not 4... Are you looking to rehome the shark?

[eroc1085]

[QUOTE=eroc1085]Filtration: AC110 HOB and a Fluval 405 canister.

QUOTE]

Filtration stated above.

I didn't plan on rehoming the shark. I would if the home was right. I was told that the irredesent shark would be a good pick for a CA/SA tank, so, with that naotion and relatively small stock I took the shark. I'm impartial.. I wouldn't have bought one for my tank. I felt bad for this guy being crammed into a 30g hex and all!

I should add the 125g gets WCs twice a week. Usually about 20 gallons or so.

[MCHRKiller]

The ID will in time out grow your tank, or really any common place tank. I would also beef up your filtration...add atleast another AC110 to the mix. I run 6 filters on my 150G due to messy SA/CA cichlids...you will need more by the time they are adult. I would also suggest you do larger waterchanges. Do atleast 40% each week. Otherwise the addition of severums would be good...I would get 3-4 fish and then if you have a pair form just keep the pair and rehome the others.

[Lady Hobbs]

2x dwf jelly bean parrot (2") (which i don't think are parrots at all)


Jellybean is a female blood parrot that mated with a male convict and you end up with something not even resembling a parrot so that may well be what you have.

Agree with larger water changes and only adding 2 Severums unless you can get rid of the shark or any cichlid not friendly to the severums.

[MCHRKiller]

One issue with 2 Severums is that in alot of cases one will be aggressive to the other and pick it to death. I had a similar situation with my 2 Rotkeils until I added a 3rd...things are much calmer now.

[eroc1085]

Thank you for your help! I absolutely love this forum. The individuals here have made my fish keeping experience, not only successful but less stressful on me and the fish!

Ok, with this knowledge i'm going to beef up filtration and WCs then add some sevs.

How do you feel about this price?
2x Super Red Sevs and 2x Gold sevs 2.5"-4" for $60.00

Is this a good deal? Should i take it, or keep looking? The seller said they're not wild fishes, that his friend bread them.

I'll start with the 4 juvis and see if, in time, two pair up. If so, the others will be rehomed. Also, the firemouth is becoming a real meany. He wasnt too aggressive until recently. Now he's picking on everyone except the shark and salvini.

[MCHRKiller]

Price is subjective to the quality of the fish and the area. If they are well bred fish I would gladly pay $60 for 4 of them. Super Reds from what I have seen go for around $20 for a 2" fish, Golds are usually about $5-10 for a 2" fish here.

[eroc1085]

True true...

well again thank you. If anyone else has some input it would certainly be appreciated. I am going to order another F405 canister. I think that would be most appropriate.. I found em online for $150.00 not bad considering they're $199.00 new in a pet store. Maybe I can find a used one in good shape... hmm

2x Fluval 405 canisters
1x AC110

I will update everyone and add pictures. I should blog about my adventures.

[eroc1085]

I upgraded my filtration and bought a fluval fx5! very excited. The shark and firemouth are gone.

I will soon be rehoming ONE of the parrot/convict things. The one im keeping is actually very pretty fish. Its mostly white, with a pink/red tummy and bright light blue fins...

Then hopefully some nice looking sevs. I think ive changed my mind of the type of sev. Any input? H. Notatus? H. Sp. rotkeil? ..etc

Thanks, again!

E

[Lab_Rat]

The rotkeils are my fav, though the notatus look pretty cool. It all depends on what you like best. The gold sev that came with my 180g has phenomenal markings as well.

[MCHRKiller]

I am a sucker for a Rotkeil as well...my 3 wilds are great fish. It does seem to take them longer to fully color than most other severums but they are worth the wait. Notatus are awesome, and I also like Atabapo severums as well.

[eroc1085]

I spoke with a dealer that I do business with and he suggested WILD specimens as well. I am unsure of wild fishes. Is there more to keeping them?? (other than WC's, Gravel Vacs and water parameters :))

Are there any issues with keeping wild specimens? More specifically issues caused form the wild to captive transition? Diseases, not eating ...etc

The dealer has some tank raised Rotkiels and golds. He's also got WILD H. Notatus and mouthbrooding sev or some sort. He said it was H. sp.

[MCHRKiller]

Mouthbrooding sevs are Atabapos, very nice looking fish. Really it comes down to your personal preference. Wild fish are actually typically more hardy than alot of overbred captive fish. You will need to treat(you should with domestics anyway) for parasites, I do a 2 week course of PraziPro and Metro. New fish wild or otherwise can spread pathogens to your other fish, hence you will need to QT. Depending on how long they have been in captivity the wild fish may be a bit finiky with taking dried foods. Otherwise no other differences, you should keep pristine water parms for either fish.

[eroc1085]

Attached are two picutres i found from a google search. I looked for "Atabapos" Also, common/nick-name.. "eye-spot" ??

Thanks,
E

[toddnbecka]

Here's a few pics of my reds, been growing out for about a year now. I started w/4, lost 1 a couple months ago, not sure what happened. I turned up hanging in the corner of the tank one evening looking bloated, and was dead the next morning. Still have 1m/2f remaining.
Arrived ~2":
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/Basement%20tank/P1040029.jpg

Before I moved them from a 75 into the 125, these 2 seem to be a pair:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/fishroom/P1040830.jpg

They've outgrown the silver dollars now:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/fishroom/P1040829.jpg

The white tetra and eureka red peacock help with the size comparison:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/fishroom/P1040828.jpg

I also have a smaller green severum coming along, about half the size of the male red now.

[MCHRKiller]

Those pictured are Atabapos, never heard them called Eye Spot, most common name for them is the mouth brooding severum.

[eroc1085]

Everyone has been a huge help. Thanks a bunch. The fx5 is about a week running. So another 3-5 weeks, prob closer to 5 i am going to try another small group of severums in search of a pair. I really think i'm attatched to the "mouth brooding" sevs. They're amazing (imo).

Wish me luck for when the time comes. I will post when it does. I will also be adding one of my L 18 specimens to the tank eventually.

Thanks,
E

[eroc1085]

Ok folks, so its been about a month, a little longer, since the fx5 was installed. So i'm wondering if you think that there's enough build of BB to be adding my severums now... Im excited but don't want to jump the gun. Still have a line on the MouthBrooding Sevs, and that's the way i want to go. I think they're SOO NEAT.

Also, the Fluval 405 busted and i'm waiting (for some MONEY) to buy the new piece, unfortuantely a plastic piece on the motor compartment busted so I need to replace the WHOLE motor (70 bux, cheapest I found). So i'm now running the fx5 and the AC 110 on my 125g. What you think? Ill be ok?
its "fx5 is suggested for 400 gallons" , so realistically 200 gallons. So i figure my 125 g would be good.

Thanks again.. Im excited, i want to order... like now, only im broke at the moment hahaha. darn hobby!
E

Thanks,
E

[toddnbecka]

The fx5 should be more than enough for biological filtration on a 125, though I'd add an air-driven hydrosponge as well to help pick up debris and circulate water. No worries about adding the severums, as long as the tank is established the bacteria will adjust quickly enough to the increased bioload.

[eroc1085]

The 8" ID shark is gone, the Firemouth is gone and i added two small angels..

so surrent stock is

2 Rainbow cichlids
2 Jelly beacn convicts
1 Salvini
2 Angels

The male jelly-bean is gonna be rehomed and i'd like to have 2-4 severums and some sort of dither. Any ideas on a dither for a SA/CA tank?

Thanks,
E

[eroc1085]

Its been while since ive posted to this thread. Since my last post the 125 has changed a bit.

2 Angels
2 Rainbow cichlids
1 Jelly Bean
2 Convicts
1 Brasillensis Geo.
1 Salvini
6 Tiger Barbs
5 Clown Loaches
1 L81 Pleco (golden nugget)

I still want A couple sevs.... What you think?1

Thanks,
E

[toddnbecka]

The salvini and convicts are very aggressive fish (particularly the salvini) to mix with angels, rainbows, and severums. I've never kept jellybeans, but I doubt they'll compete well with them either.

[Lady Hobbs]

I wouldn't add them now that you have added all those others. Agree with all todd wrote above.

[eroc1085]

Agreed with odd mix... However, up until this point I haven't had any aggression issues with either the convicts or the savlins towards any of the others. I do understand that the angels, rainbows and geo's are relatively peaceful fish... However i was under the impression that the salvins fell into this category. I was aware of the convicts being toughies. Ive kept a close eye.

I've always wanted to keep severums. I would rehome the salvins and the convicts to keep severums.

Do you folks think sevs are an appropriate match with the geo, rainbows and angels... ?? (and the rest of the tank) if the others were rehomed. Or do you think its still to much stock?