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mermaidwannabe
02-13-2011, 02:06 AM
I have trapdoor, coldwater snails.

As I've posted earlier, the tips of the spirals of their shells have been eroding away and have either turned white at the tips, or have become encrusted with something white.

My pH is 7.5, my kh 5 and my gh 89.5. My level of phosphate is between 0.50 and 1. There is no copper in my tank.

I have little to no algae, so I regularly drop algae pellets into the tank. Not only do my fish like them, but the purpose is also to feed my snails. They have repeatedly ignored them, however.

Occasionally, I'll see one of them creeping up the glass, and I can only hope it is feeding on the biofilm and finding nutrition there.

One snail finally died. I had it outside of the tank in some water in my sink, because the fish started picking at the eroded area on its shell, which became quite large. I also noticed its operculum ajar instead of either completely open or completely closed. It rarely moved. So I took it out of the tank and continued to provide an algae pellet for it, softened up, but it still just sat in the same spot in the sink and didn't eat it. Finally, it began to smell and fell apart. So I got rid of it.

In recent months, my snails have been barely active, at all. They lay upside down on the substrate with their trapdoors tightly shut. Occasionally, one will crawl up the glass, but not nearly as often as they once did.

I am trying to figure out:

1. What is causing the tips of their shells to turn white and erode away, and

2. Why they won't eat the algae pellets.

I suspect my snails are starving to death, and the one that died actually did starve, in my opinion.

I try to feed them, but they just won't eat what I give them, and there isn't sufficient algae in the tank for them to feed off of, unless the biofilm is providing them nutrition.

And that's my third question: Are they getting nutrition from the biofilm on the glass?

The one person I spoke with about this seemed to think there should already be sufficient calcium in the tank with my pH, kh and gh levels where they are. Calcium deficiency, in this person's opinion, shouldn't be their problem.

Can anyone shed any light on this at all? I tried inquiring about this on the aquatic snail forum, and nobody responded. Surely, it's not that uncommon a problem ...

-- mermaidwannabe

Alasse
02-13-2011, 02:59 AM
Not enough calcium in the water will make the snails shells fail and they will die from it.

Mine showed the same signs, i've since added a different substrate, shellgrit/sand mix, and also a turtle calcium block, my snails are growing new normal shell.

I feed mine algae disks, zucchini, fish pellets, fish flakes. I have no visible algae in my tanks.

mermaidwannabe
02-13-2011, 05:59 AM
I forgot to add that I have always kept seashells in my tank. I know they say not to for freshwater tanks, but my understanding is that their leaching of calcium is a very small amount and very gradual, and thus far my pH has not been affected.

Wouldn't the seashells provide some calcium?

Some of my fish food also contains calcium. Wouldn't the snails derive calcium from leftover pieces which fall to the substrate?

I am wondering, under those circumstances, how they could be deficient in calcium? Is a pH of 7.5 high enough to have it in the water in sufficient amounts?

Could the problem be something other than a calcium deficiency? Why won't they eat algae pellets, even after they've softened up?

And do snails get nutrients from the biofilm on the glass, ornaments, etc.?

There are several questions, here, the erosion of their shells being just one. I am also wondering if they are getting enough to eat.

Any further thoughts on this?

-- mermaid

Alasse
02-13-2011, 06:49 AM
My water has a high PH but very little calcium.

How many seashells? Large seashells add minute amounts, it would not be enough to make a difference, considering you do water changes. I find shellgrit to be better at leaching, smaller particles larger surface area for the water to interact with. I also add a specific turtle block which leaches calcium. Looks like these will only last 2 weeks in my tanks.

Calcium would be the issue with the shells without doubt. As i stated the calcium deficiency can kill them, possibly why they arent eating well.

Snail do graze micro goodies on the glass, mine do it. But mine also dive on any food added to the tank (well have been since i upped the calcium supply in the tank)

Wild Turkey
02-13-2011, 09:42 AM
They need calcium in their diet as well. Thats the problem in my opinion. As stated above white and or eroding shells is a sign they are not getting enough calcium in one form or another.

Adding calcium to the water column (there are a lot of different methods) helps but doesnt often fix the problem in my experience. Try a calcium enriched pellet or wafer. Kensfish.com is where I get mine.

CassieLEO
02-13-2011, 09:55 AM
My snails are fed a Kale leaf because it has calcium and they really love it. I also use the Kents Liquid Calcium in my tank, and it is proven they absorb calcium int he water column through their foot. This way I am sure they are getting it in them. Since doing this my snails shells are growign liek crazy and the new growth is extremely healthy looking and bright.

mermaidwannabe
02-13-2011, 02:55 PM
Thanks, folks. Looks like calcium deficiency is the problem, afterall. I'll be checking Kens for the calcium enriched pellets and the other methods of introducing more calcium posted here.

Since the snails ignore the algae pellets, and that may be a side effect of simply not being well due to the calcium lack, they could also be starving to some extent.

Thanks for your input. I'll see if I can fix this problem, and I'll be keeping a close eye on my pH to make sure it doesn't rise above 7.5, which is where I wish to keep it.

Where would I find the Kent's Liquid Calcium? Do Foster & Smith sell it, or Pet Solutions? Is it Kent or Ken's?

-- mermaid

CassieLEO
02-13-2011, 03:50 PM
I buy it at Petco and Petsmart. Its where there marine good are, because it is made for marine tanks, but can be used on freshwater tanks...Those Calcium blocks Alyssee mentioned work good too. They eat those...

mermaidwannabe
02-13-2011, 04:30 PM
You've just answered a question I was going to ask, here.

I found Kent's Concentrated Liquid Calcium in my latest Pet Solutions Catalog. However, it says on the label, "Kent Marine", and it seems all the calcium supplements are intended for marine tanks. It did mention snails in the text, but I think they're referring to marine snails.

If it's safe to use in freshwater, it would certainly be a good way to add more calcium to my tank. I'm a little concerned that they don't specifically say in the catalog that it can also be used in freshwater tanks.

I couldn't use the API calcium test kit I had ordered because it said "saltwater" on the label when I got it, and I didn't realize they don't make a calcium tester for freshwater tanks. The other kits I had ordered along with it could be used to test either fresh or saltwater, but not that one.

Can you tell me if it says anywhere in the instructions on Kent's Liquid Calcium that it can also be used in freshwater? I would like to know before I order it, if possible.

Thanks again. I'll also be looking into Ken's for freshwater calcium pellets.

-- mermaid