price of gas

[rollie]

gas just went up here, it now in a hight $1.20 a litre range . what is it in australia,mecixo,usa or other places. goverment say , we are the lowest price in the world. i was just wondering if we was., here in canada.

[William]

Can't say for mexico. Must check, but it's lower than sweden and most if not all other European countries where you pay about 1.5 USD Litre

IS your pirce USD or canadina. If canadian it's really cheap seen through my eyes ;-)

[William]

Checked and I was wrong the gas rice in sweden is 1,65 USD Litre now and expect to climb to 1.8 USD before the mid summer.

[rollie]

it canadian, but they say it going to hit $2.00 a litres, by mid summer.

[William]

Thats still cheaper than many other countries but I can se why a raise like that stings.

[jnmrcs]

Here, in PR, the litre is $0.75 USD and will be going up. That's what I heard on the news... :(

[rollie]

where is PR ?

[DemonShark]

In usa its rising but we shouldnt complain like europe most of europe is paying twice as much or thrice escpecilly the netherlands and the british in china its only about 1.25$ but still they dotn have a much demand as are counties do and the people who sell for .12cents per a gallon are either very oil rich countries or dont have a demand for it

[SCOOTER]

In Toledo, Ohio its $2.99/gallon. 8O

[jnmrcs]

where is PR ?

Puerto Rico is in the Caribbean. Near Republic Dominican and Cuba.

[rollie]

thank!

[Madc0ws]

welcome to communism...we warned you.but you didn't take us seriously.

[rollie]

25 years ago the USA classed canada as communism.

[Madc0ws]

That's funny,cause 25 years ago all the missiles were pointed at the Soviets and their "allies", never heard canada was their ally.

[William]

A lot of socialist countries was classed as communism and perhaps rightly so since they had strong communist movements even if they weren't embracing communism at the time.

[Madc0ws]

Socialism is very far from communism, all communists care about is staying in power,even if it means through terror & propaganda like turning a country into a police state.Think of communists as a minority like a mafia who gain control of a majority,there is nothing they won't do to stay in control(kind of like Stalin & Bush).

As for the socialists,they work aggressively to preserve their heritage & rights, like a giant family who work together and play together.

[DemonShark]

I think were forgetting something Communisum is Dictatorship which is like hitler and the soviet leader stalin, canada was not considerd Communism but part of the royal crown with secret movements of communism in the country which brought it to the attention of the NATO forces and Bush can exced his presitdentiol office control because thats not how america works so Bush is not a Dictator and im not really seeing something he is doing to stay in control .to do that would be to elimanate congress and the suprme court which couldnt happen .

[DemonShark]

O and guys rember the Cold war is over and america and russia agreed to get rid of Ballistic missle imbounds

[Madc0ws]

If you want some good reasons why a lot of people see him as a dictator have a look at this site for starters and if you google this topic some more you will find many other people's opinions.

http://www.konformist.com/2000/bush-dictator.htm

One of the main (and obvious) characteristics of a dictatorship regime is fraudulent elections which they try to pass off as "democratic".

edit.ICBM's can be retargeted with a push of a keystroke.it's irrelevant

Oh and unlike Stalin,Hitler didn't have to torture and murder off millions of his own citizens in order to gain "support".

[DemonShark]

Alright i was just saying besides bush couldnt be a dictator and I studeid world war 2 and hitler did terrorize some of his citzens and they were called jews and practiclly brainwashed the poeple of germany and im not trying to start something lol and your correct with the program of a icbm they can be retargeted but they would have to be refueld wan with the titans 2 that would take four hrs to refuel then they can olny be fueled for 48 hrs or the fuel will not work and their has been some changes to SAMS to intercept these missiles which is a good thing!

[Madc0ws]

lol you are funny my friend..lay off the hollywood "history" movies.

[DemonShark]

lol well i studeied history and still am world war 2 tho is my main topic tho

[William]

I didn't mean to compare socialism with communism that as you say are very different.

[DemonShark]

I know william im just saying that the Im being serious and i dont take my observations from hollywood ''history''movies as Madc0ws would like to say and doesnt even know anything about me and is saying im lying about things which i have studied

[NorthernBoy]

I most certainly am wrong but weren't the Nazi's and Hitler considered Socialists. And there are many benefits to both communism and socialism. Take socialized medicine for example. I pay over $250 USD a month for health care and my friends to the north do not pay anywhere near that. Al though I am a believer in both capitolization and democracy there are also some serious flaws within the United states system. But then I would not be to quick to orate the flaws of my own government if I was in a communist nation. And even though we stive to be a democracy in the USA we are actually a republic more than a democracy in my mind.

[NorthernBoy]

btw I paid just under $3 usd for gas this morning in Minnesota, USA

[William]

Yes, the Nazis were national socialists and many Nazi parties still carry that epithet.

Most systems have their advantages and disadvantages. One of the problems with communism is that it is so hard to implement and that it in some aspects goes against human nature and that some people use the communistic system for their own ends.

I do however feel that it should be said that socialism and capitalism aren't really in polemic and can be united. With different degree of success that for example can be seen in may countries in Europe.

How to look at the democracy in the US is a bit of a tough question. For me it seems like you both have a lack of democracy and an access of it at once. On the national level you can as you say be seen more as a republic than a democracy (not that does really conflict) with the less than democratic two party systems. On the other hand it feels that you sometime can have an access of elections on the local level choosing city officials, judges, sheriffs etc making the US of the few or perhaps only democratic country that always features a lot of campaigning for some election of others, For it seems like this ever present campaigning and elections could be one of the reasons for the low number of voters in the US: The democracy is being drowned in elections of which you start ignoring more and more.

Lets for example look at Sweden as an alternative (Which has its own problem I won’t take up here) Sweden has elections every 4 years. (sometimes extra elections for mayor issues, max once every 10 years.) And elections on all levels at the same time. This makes it easier for people to care and the voting numbers are much higher as a result.

Just my two cent.

[rollie]

i am the canadian, but the usa have more freedom, than we do. in my book the usa is the great country!!

[Madc0ws]

USA have more freedom?I find it funny how people these days still see it that way..I was born in eastern europe (commie territory),when I was about 6 years old my family and I moved to USA because of communist oppression and constant threats back in our homeland during the cold war.
Back then one might have seen USA a more or less a free country which didn't oppress (at least not in the open) it's people for even speaking out their honest opinion in public. I've lived there 24 years but still had contact with my family who stayed behind. I often visited them on vacations and and helped them out in any way I could. But over the years we've found "the system" (especially the people) in USA become more and more oppressive to their own kind,corrupted,agressive,mindlessly greedy and savage-like. We felt this trend get worse as time went by to the point of realising that the country my family and I fled now appeared to be more "civilized" and "free" than the USA.
And 9/11 + this "war on terror" propaganda only proved to us the depthless corruption in which Washington is under and how low it's willing to go to keep the lies hidden, even to the point of using nuclear weapons to assault sovereign nations. After 24 years we all returned to our country of origin. Some family members have even moved out to Australia .I don't want to bore you with my life story so to put a long story short....I feel America is ran by communist neocons who are laying waste to it from the inside out.Sorry if I offended anyone by this comment but that's just how I see it.
As for me I will continue to oppose communism till the day I die wherever I live,just as my uncle died fighting against it.

[DemonShark]

Madc0ws so your saying were un civilized? Wasnt it communist who went on caping for more land? Wasnt the whole goverment leadership corrupted by power? And 9/11 is to stop the terroism you shouldnt say soo much against a country which you seem to have little knoledge of in some parts of the goverment they are corrupt yes but think of it this way ok? Im presdident bush and my country has just been attacked by suicidal men who like to cash into buildings in 767 commercail airliners now what should i do? hmmm should i say o too bad less just forget about all the 3000 people who died or should we say lets find out who did this and end them? your right all countreis use porpaganda lol infact all coummunist countries use it more than any other countys because they want to look great in the eyes of there people .USA has lots more freedom infact any one could say anything about anything you could do about anything as long as you dotn break laws.America is more republic and thats way there are two parties Demorcatic and republicans . Now i can say the nazis were accutally two things Facist and Socailists both are very simmilar nazis tho had compleate control . Communism is the most corrupted most leaders of communist use it for them one selves. Hope this clears some things

[Madc0ws]

This is the old ignorant,shortsighted,bolshevik/soviet mentality more and more "Americans" are adopting these days which I was eariler talking about. Wake up! The Bush regime is trying to pull a fast one on you and ALL our lives are at stake, your corporate monopolized mass media like Fox,CNN,BBC and many others are their brainwashing tools. And they're milking you like naive cows off of fuel/gas/electricity causing an "energy/terrorist crisis" propaganda trying to vice the masses into a panic,frustration,anger which will result in a war frenzy. Your life is the ultimate sacrafice they desire, which they will make a profit from because they've already invested billions in this scheme and they won't see their investment go to waste,not unless the average Joe believes these criminals. They've put a very cheap price on all our lives. Will you give them the benifit of the doubt? They will leave us and our future generations in ruins and possibly lead us to nuclear armageddon. They've steered the USA into a dangerous path and lost much global support because of it. Nations that once allied themselves to the US are now turning away from us, which is exactly what the commies want. Do some extensive research into 9/11, for christ's sake you have the internet! That's the one thing those commies don't have going for them, they can censor the mass media but not the internet, it's too global and cannot be biased (at least not yet). Get documentary movies like 'The Corporation','Painful Deceptions','The Money Masters','Fahrenheit 9/11' and watch them,you be the judge of your own destiny.The truth will set you free but not unless you are willing to face it. Bush is an idiot,clueless puppet who is not cut out or worthy to be any sort of a leader,he has deserted his military post while in service! And he's there to serve a tiny minority of super-rich population only.Get a good look into his past, his brain is burned out by weed & cocaine. If you were in the military & your squad leader was a drug addict would you take orders from him?

And as far as the"you shouldnt say soo much against a country which you seem to have little knoledge of in some parts of the goverment they are corrupt yes but think of it this way ok?" part.. judging by your grammer you seem like you just came off a banana boat yourself. I've seen the USA inside and out...and I witnessed liberty die. The only ones who haven't noticed it are the third worlders who are flooding into that country at the pace of cockroaches and too burned out by all the crack they're consuming and the ignorant & naive fools who are too scared to even publicly speak out in fear of losing their rapidly deteriorating jobs they desperately cling onto which are being outsourced to China anyways.

[William]

I am going to make a post as admin now:
Madc0ws you have every right to express your opinions regarding the USA and it’s leadership here put try to do it I a less inflammatory way and try to stick to the “Facts”. NO need to call the leaders commies which they clearly not are when you accuse them of being puppets of the industry. No need to pile superlatives on each other “the old ignorant,shortsighted,bolshevik/soviet mentality”, just say that you find the present mentality short sited. In short state your opinions without attacking everyone else and make it clear that they are your opinions and

Also I will not tolerate that people recommend using torrent programs etc to downloaded copyrighted material. The reference to the download clients have been removed from the posts.

Everyone else please remember that MAdc0ws is attacking the leadership of the US and not you personally even though he has used very inflammatory language.

[DemonShark]

Madc0ws i will no longer arugu with you not because you won the argument but because its useless to argue with you you say we are corrupted i belive it is you who is corrupted well thats my opinon srry william for getting this subject way off hand and all that other stuff we caused

[William]

No problem. Politicall discussion have a tendency to get out of hand because people get to involved and takes things personally.

[DemonShark]

yea and i thought being an ambasador whould be neat... lol proves me wrong