Audi RS8 - Yes or No

[unleashed]

Dad got back to Auckland yesterday after spending 2 days in Tokyo. So he went car shopping today and has come up with three options.

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Porsche 911 Turbo

Maserati GranTurismo when it arrives

Dad prefers the Audi and I like the Porsche. Question is, would you have the Audi R8 over a Porsche 911 Turbo or Maserati GranTurismo

[DemonShark]

The Proshe is my pick!

[DemonShark]

Also your dad must be rich!

[Lady Hobbs]

How would us poor folks know? I'd be happy with a new Ford.

[cocoa_pleco]

get the porche. my uncle has one and its crazy.

[Drumachine09]

Ummmm, why isnt the lamborghini diablo on that list??



Im happy with a truck thats older than i am though. :28:

[Chrona]

None of the above. For a quarter million, I'd get a souped up Toyota Supra that would beat all of the above, and donate the excess $150,000 to charity, lol.

[Rue]

I drive a Ford and a Kia...so what do I know?:28:

My Uncle had a very nice Mercedes though...and I suppose of the 3 I'd lean towards the Porche...

[Drumachine09]

None of the above. For a quarter million, I'd get a souped up Toyota Supra that would beat all of the above, and donate the excess $150,000 to charity, lol.


Asian cars are pointless.

Id rather have a Pontiac GTO with a hemi than a little 4 banger.

[Chrona]

Asian cars are pointless.

Id rather have a Pontiac GTO with a hemi than a little 4 banger.

Uh....go read up on tuned Toyota Supras...lol

I highly doubt your hemi can put out 1k horsepower from 6 turbocharged cylinders. Supra engines are legendary because they can take anything you throw at them. Nitrous + turbocharging would blow most engines, but not this 6-inline :)

As for Asian cars, there's a reason Toyota is now bigger than GM :)

[Rue]

...I was seriously looking at motorcycles last year...I wanted an antique fix-me-upper to mess around with...

...but I'm reconsidering...so little time to ride it up north and I'm a wuss when it comes to getting wet...

...so now I'm looking for MGBs...:c4:

[Chrona]

...I was seriously looking at motorcycles last year...I wanted an antique fix-me-upper to mess around with...

...but I'm reconsidering...so little time to ride it up north and I'm a wuss when it comes to getting wet...

...so now I'm looking for MGBs...:c4:

Get a Hayabusa :)

[cocoa_pleco]

i want to get a newer model BMW car and pimp it out, or a GTO or belair

[Drumachine09]

Uh....go read up on tuned Toyota Supras...lol

I highly doubt your hemi can put out 1k horsepower from 6 turbocharged cylinders. Supra engines are legendary because they can take anything you throw at them. Nitrous + turbocharging would blow most engines, but not this 6-inline :)

As for Asian cars, there's a reason Toyota is now bigger than GM :)




Yes, because of stupid movies like fast and the furious. Every rich american kid has his mommy and daddy go buy him a honda civic. They spend thousands of dollars making it go fast. They put on those stupid spoliers, drop it to the ground, and put on those mufflers that make it sound like a kid has pinned a credit card to his bike spokes.


1600 horsepower. Meet Mr. American Muscle.

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Dont miss the double blowers and the nitrous behind the console.

[cocoa_pleco]

i have to go with chrona on this one. supras can take alot of punishment road wise. put all the wingding spoilers and sideskirts on a supra and they are AWESOME. The only muscle cars i like are lowriders.


the mufflers on tuners PWN muscle cars ones. my neighbor has a shelby and it gets so dam annoying at night when he drives it and the mufflers and engine are cooking up a storm.

[Rue]

...come on now! How cute is this??? :malelovies:

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[A340]

First of all, my vote goes for the R8, much more exotic than the 911 turbos. Having driven several 911 Turbos, Cayennes and GT4's, they drive nice but, other than the Cayenne, there's something missing.

Now, I will take an Asian/European car over an American Big 3 anyday. Show me one US built and designed car that can out perform even the most basic Asian/European car. Yes a vette will kick a VW GTI's as on a straight away, but wait until the first corner. Most European 4 bangers (and I don't mean the basic crap that makes it to our shores) will out perform most V6s and V8s from Chrysler, Ford and GM while getting better mileage.

Although I will buy a European/Asian car over any US car, the Ford Mustang is and always will be my favourite car, and the sound of the GTs (not even gonna mention the Cobra's) V8 is heaven. Just the right sound for the car. In the 2 years I owned my GT, I rarely used the stereo system because the cars sound alone gave me goosebumps. The sound of many exhaust systems on smaller tuned cars, they are not just "ricers" because many Chevy, Pontiac, Ford owners have them on their cars as well, are annoying as hell. But not nearly annoying as those exhaust systems on many pick up trucks now a days, you know, the ones that make it sound like you have a dozen 18 wheelers driving by.

[Drumachine09]

the mufflers on tuners PWN muscle cars ones. my neighbor has a shelby and it gets so dam annoying at night when he drives it and the mufflers and engine are cooking up a storm.



So you are saying that you would rather have an engine that sounds like a little kid on a bike, than have an engine that sounds like (and is ) a V8?

[A340]

So you are saying that you would rather have an engine that sounds like a little kid on a bike, than have an engine that sounds like (and is ) a V8?
Engine sounds and size apart, an engine and its hp/torque are only as good as the transmission and driver that can bring the power to the road.

[Chrona]

Yes, because of stupid movies like fast and the furious. Every rich american kid has his mommy and daddy go buy him a honda civic. They spend thousands of dollars making it go fast. They put on those stupid spoliers, drop it to the ground, and put on those mufflers that make it sound like a kid has pinned a credit card to his bike spokes.
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Dont miss the double blowers and the nitrous behind the console.

Right, because that car is much less ludricrous looking with the massive stacked turbo that blocks half the windshield, lol.

I'm not talking about your average ricer with a stock engine and all bling, I'm talking about a real racing machine with the full package, turbo, intercooler, brembo brakes, etc, etc. One, the handling on that thing would suck (if you could even pull a sharp turn without the weight of the superchargers snapping the engine right off the mount, lol). Two, it doesn't even look remotely drivable. And I'm willing to bet it hasn't even been fully dyno tested to 1600 hp. So maybe that can beat a Supra in a straight up drag race (though I'm skeptical). But that's all that's good for. Maybe if all street roads were straight....

[Chrona]

Engine sounds and size apart, an engine and its hp/torque are only as good as the transmission and driver that can bring the power to the road.

And tires. Don't forget tires :)

[A340]

And tires. Don't forget tires :)
Good call. Amazing how many people don't understand this one.

BTW, I'll be getting my Golf 4 next month and will be putting in a better exhaust system, I'm thinking about the Eisenman system or one from VW. This is the Eisenman system ...

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[Drumachine09]

Right, because that car is much less ludricrous looking with the massive stacked turbo that blocks half the windshield, lol.

I'm not talking about your average ricer with a stock engine and all bling, I'm talking about a real racing machine with the full package, turbo, intercooler, brembo brakes, etc, etc. One, the handling on that thing would suck (if you could even pull a sharp turn without the weight of the superchargers snapped the engine right off the mount, lol). Two, it doesn't even look remotely drivable. And I'm willing to bet it hasn't even been fully dyno tested to 1600 hp. So maybe that can beat a Supra in a straight up drag race (though I'm skeptical). But that's all that's good for. Maybe if all street roads were straight....


Now, what teenage self proclaimed "street racer" races on anything but a straight away. There are very few SERIOUS ricer owners. Alot of them would probobly smoke some american cars. However, on the straight away, nothing beats american muscle.

I dont support asian car companies. There are some american car companies that i wont go near either. Like caddilac (namely for their poor decision on making "escalades"). I am a ford/chevy/dodge/pontiac man. Nothings gonna change that. If somone offerd me a "souped up" ricer, id sell it and by a REAL car.

[Chrona]

Now, what teenage self proclaimed "street racer" races on anything but a straight away. There are very few SERIOUS ricer owners. Alot of them would probobly smoke some american cars. However, on the straight away, nothing beats american muscle.

I dont support asian car companies. There are some american car companies that i wont go near either. Like caddilac (namely for their poor decision on making "escalades"). I am a ford/chevy/dodge/pontiac man. Nothings gonna change that. If somone offerd me a "souped up" ricer, id sell it and by a REAL car.

The initial post was towards Unleashed, and from my understanding, his dad wants to get a car (budget = roughly 1/4 million) for everyday fun driving, not straight up drag racing (or he would not have picked this cars) Thus, we're not talking about some silly wannabe ricer. We're talking spending 80k in upgrades to make a stock Supra into a nasty beast (and I mean a full package, not just making it ridiculous for drags)

And what evidence do you have to make the claim that nothing beats American muscle on the straightway? ;)

As for the souped up comment, what do you call the muscle car you posted? Nothing more than a 37 year old souped up car, lol.

[Chrona]

Heck, I'd take a 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X over that crazy looking muscle car anyday, lol.

[Drumachine09]

I dont know what you mean by "souped up", but i assume it means modified. And old muscle car that is fixed up THAT good is not just some rich kid having someone throw parts on. That takes time and dedication, not just money.

You show me a car that could smoke that GTO, and id give ricers respect. Untill then, they remain at the bottom of my list.

[cocoa_pleco]

besides the silverado, all our cars/vans/motorcycles are asian. honda prelude, toyota sienna, honda motorcycle, gokart with honda engine, and next a supra


GTO VS 350Z


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[Chrona]

I dont know what you mean by "souped up", but i assume it means modified. And old muscle car that is fixed up THAT good is not just some rich kid having someone throw parts on. That takes time and dedication, not just money.

You show me a car that could smoke that GTO, and id give ricers respect. Untill then, they remain at the bottom of my list.

Actually you could just bring the car to a professional mod shop, but the real ricers with "souped up" (meaning interior and exterior parts that enhance performance) cars put just as much time into them as any serious American muscle car owners. It's not like ricer owners are from another planet, lol.

As for smoking that GTO, it doesn't give 0-60, 1/4 mile times, actual power to the wheels or any stats. It's pretty hard to determine what car beats what car just by looking at it. Claimed horsepower doesn't mean jack nowadays, and that 1600hp figure was probably calculated from the "claimed" horsepower boost of various mods (ie when a manufacturer for exhaust systems say it boots horsepower by 25%, as if it were that simple)

I'm fairly certain this car could beat it (or at least give it a run for the money) Note how it has drag tires. Much bigger than the ones on the GTO from the looks of it. 1600 hp doesn't mean anything if you can't put it to the ground.

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8.65s 1/4 mile pass is just ludricrious, lol.

[Drumachine09]

besides the silverado, all our cars/vans/motorcycles are asian. honda prelude, toyota sienna, honda motorcycle, gokart with honda engine, and next a supra


GTO VS 350Z


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First of all, i said American muscle owns the straightaway. Notice the curves? And second of all, i said that particular GTO, not any GTO.



Also, i belive the tires on the GTO are tubbed.

[A340]

First of all, i said American muscle owns the straightaway. Notice the curves? And second of all, i said that particular GTO, not any GTO.



Also, i belive the tires on the GTO are tubbed.
First of all, your GTO is heavily modified, if you were to invest the same amount of money and time into a Honda Civic or comparable car, you'd be surprised what you'd end up with and the time results on a straight away would be very comparable. The only difference is that you'd actually be able to see where you are going in the Civic .... :ezpi_wink1:

[Chrona]

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Now look at the pictures of the two top cars in each and see which one you would want to be seen in, lol

[Chrona]

Performance aside, the looks of tuned import cars is just better. With the right body kits, you get similar lines to Ferraris or Lambos, etc, whereas American muscle cars always look big and clunky (and have that huge supercharger sitting in the middle) I guess that's my main beef. I mean, the fastest GTO in the above post just looks UUUUGGGLY, lol.

[Chrona]

Anyways, back to the original question, I'd say Audi, heh.

[cocoa_pleco]

my last off-topic post.

visual-wise, i like tuners too. theyre clean looking and sleek and smooth. carbon hood and all that is NICE. i dont like muscle cars hood engines either. they look clunky and it would be hard to see where youre going

[Drumachine09]

Performance aside, the looks of tuned import cars is just better. With the right body kits, you get similar lines to Ferraris or Lambos, etc, whereas American muscle cars always look big and clunky (and have that huge supercharger sitting in the middle) I guess that's my main beef. I mean, the fastest GTO in the above post just looks UUUUGGGLY, lol.



I see where you are going. There are quite a few sick looking tuners out there. However, i love the old feel of a muscle car. Thats my personal preferance. Id rather have a Hemi sticking out then have a hood scoop.



Anyway, if i had that kind of money, i would get the porche 911.

[crackatinny]

I'm with Drum, I'd go a 50's 60's 70's musclecar over an asian or european sportscar any day, 68 SS camaro, 57 chevy sports tudor, 65 Mustang, the GTO, or even a plymouth superbird, I'm not fussy:27:

[Drumachine09]

I'm with Drum, I'd go a 50's 60's 70's musclecar over an asian or european sportscar any day, 68 SS camaro, 57 chevy sports tudor, 65 Mustang, the GTO, or even a plymouth superbird, I'm not fussy:27:


Ill drink to that! (coke, because im underage :(..)

Even an old 50s pickup would be sweet!

[unleashed]

lookswise, the Audi takes the cake of the three

Porsche is such a common car in Auckland - so not exclusive

Maserati is 'smooth' looking.

but I still prefer the Porsche. however, I'm sure most people would be happy with any of them. I don't even know why he needs a new car - he is already on the list for an SLR

[Drumachine09]

lookswise, the Audi takes the cake of the three

Porsche is such a common car in Auckland - so not exclusive

Maserati is 'smooth' looking.

but I still prefer the Porsche. however, I'm sure most people would be happy with any of them. I don't even know why he needs a new car - he is already on the list for an SLR


So, split the difference, and get a lamborghini diablo....and then let me test drive it...

[unleashed]

dad is 42 and said that he will only buy a lambo or a ferrari when he hits his mid-life crisis.

So dru, you're gonna have to wait a few years before you get your test drive lol

[Drumachine09]

dad is 42 and said that he will only buy a lambo or a ferrari when he hits his mid-life crisis.

So dru, you're gonna have to wait a few years before you get your test drive lol



...ill be waiting... lol

[unleashed]

you won't actually believe it - dad wants to get rid of his S-600 merc and change it for a flying spur.

BTW have any of you guys seen the new Lamborghini Nera Coupe (only one in NZ and 185 world wide) and the Gallardo Superleggera. Awesome cars

[Drumachine09]

you won't actually believe it - dad wants to get rid of his S-600 merc and change it for a flying spur.

BTW have any of you guys seen the new Lamborghini Nera Coupe (only one in NZ and 185 world wide) and the Gallardo Superleggera. Awesome cars



Yeah, ive seen that car. Ill test drive that one for you too......please???

lol

[cocoa_pleco]

gallardo's kick a$$. i went to some guys house and he had a ferrari, a gallardo, and a hummer.

[Drumachine09]

I want this car...... Nuff said....




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[A340]

The nice thing about the Lamborghini's is that they are VW's, then again, so is the Audi R8, but now that Porsche is buying VW, I guess they're all Porsche, so even if you dad does go for the Audi, he will be buying a Porsche, sort of ... thumbs2:

[unleashed]

The nice thing about the Lamborghini's is that they are VW's, then again, so is the Audi R8, but now that Porsche is buying VW, I guess they're all Porsche, so even if you dad does go for the Audi, he will be buying a Porsche, sort of ... thumbs2:
oh so tru

looks like Porsche is the winner!!!!

[crackatinny]

What does your ol' man do for a crust unleashed?, I'm bettin he aint a cleaner:hmm3grin2orange:

[unleashed]

What does your ol' man do for a crust unleashed?, I'm bettin he aint a cleaner:hmm3grin2orange:
He specialises as an investment banker. however, he has just taken on the job as a private equity somethin arather until the position is filled. Hence why he was in Tokyo for two days interviewing candidates for the job. He's off to New York in a week to interview some more hopefulls.

[Willyleigh]

Get the Audi, porsche 911 are common, the Audi is similar in performance but not many people will know what it is.

[unleashed]

Get the Audi, porsche 911 are common, the Audi is similar in performance but not many people will know what it is.
its exclusive .........

[A340]

its exclusive .........
The Audi is somewhat more exclusive than a 911 Turbo, unless of course you are getting into a GT4 and such.

[unleashed]

i was referring to the audi lol

[willisrad]

Ok.
Here is my take one a few discussion mentioned earlier...........

Audi, 911, or Maserati...............I'd go 911.
Audi's are kinda junk nowadays. High end and exotic just means MORE things to break.........especially coming form an Audi. Yes, VW owns both Porche and Audi, but I'd still take the 911.

Getting a tuned Supra is the best investment ever! I would take that over any kinda GTO or anything like that any day of the week! Hands down! The Toyota engine is SO solid, so reliable, and can really take what you throw at it. And.........the STOCK manual transmission that comes in the twin turbo Supras can handle around 1000 HP!

What else..........

There is a HUGE difference between a kid with a honda civic with a garbage can muffler, and a really tuned import car.

Also, comparing the GTO to the 350Z is really not fair. I don't think that the 350Zs are really all that great. Not really what they used to be at least.

K.

That's my 10cents.

[A340]

Yes, VW owns both Porche and Audi,

Yes, Audi is part of the VW group (as is Lamborghini, Seat, Skoda, Buggati and Bently), but Porshe is buying 20% of VW and possibly more down the road.

[willisrad]

I am not really saying that VW owning Audi and Porche instantly makes them less valuable..........

Let's look into everything that Ford owns!

[A340]

I am not really saying that VW owning Audi and Porche instantly makes them less valuable..........

Let's look into everything that Ford owns!
Not at all, I was just pointing out that Porsche is not owned by VW rather is more or less the other way around.

[unleashed]

Ford owns Aston Martin ..... One of which dad has. Amazingly smooth ride.

[801]

may i ask what your dad does, and how can i get in on that game?

as for me, i'd go for the maserati :)

[roulfi004]

911 turbo for sure:

911 is:
-Faster... much, much faster. Better acceleration, handling, top speed, braking, etc. And dont get fooled by the 0-60 ot 0-100 figures. Try it on a track to see the real difference... its also a 4wd like the Audi
-Better built. Yes, better than Audi
-Sounds nice
-Cooler, its an exotic supercar
-Have you ever heard someone WOW on an audi? Rarely i bet. How about Porsches?


Audi RS8 is:
-A safer car
-More comfortable
-More room for all the family
-Still frightengly fast
-Could handle rough surfaces better

[Chrona]

Actually the styling of the R8 has that exotic "wow" feel to it. Heh. One glance, and you know it's not your average Audi.

[unleashed]

may i ask what your dad does, and how can i get in on that game?

as for me, i'd go for the maserati :)

He is a specialist investment banker. Used to work for some big firms. He now does contract work for them.

Right now he is doing contract work for a private equity firm. Pretty much one week worth of work for a big investment bank will bring in enough to buy a decent italian car.

[cocoa_pleco]

today theres lots of open markets. here, oil is big. my dad made his own oil company 18 years ago, and now with the oil boom he can sell it for well over few million. selling houses is big too. here, people will randomly buy houses, renovate them, and sell them for 150,000$ more.

[A340]

911 turbo for sure:

911 is:
-Faster... much, much faster. Better acceleration, handling, top speed, braking, etc. And dont get fooled by the 0-60 ot 0-100 figures. Try it on a track to see the real difference... its also a 4wd like the Audi
-Better built. Yes, better than Audi
-Sounds nice
-Cooler, its an exotic supercar
-Have you ever heard someone WOW on an audi? Rarely i bet. How about Porsches?


Audi RS8 is:
-A safer car
-More comfortable
-More room for all the family
-Still frightengly fast
-Could handle rough surfaces better

I believe that you are confusing the Audi R8 with the RS8/S8. The RS8/S8 is the higher performance variant of the Audi A8 sedan. The Audi R8 is an exclusive (only 20 cars built per day) 2 seater that hasn't even hit the dealerships yet.