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Bill M.
06-19-2007, 02:18 AM
Well, I caught it, MTS....hehe.... I have a 10 gal. and just bought a 29. I have a few questions, and I knew this forum is a great source of info, so here I go....sorry for the book, but please read and give feedback!

When I first entered high school, 3 years ago, now a senior, whoo, I bought the Walmart special ten gallon starter kit. It was an amazing deal, and the tank, heater, filter, etc, preformed amazingly. It has kept 4 of my fish that I started with (looked at the reciept, bought em on 7/30/2004) alive to this very day. I recently got a job as a lifeguard, and have money to spend on myself. I decided to fix up my tank, maybe get a few new fish. Origonally in the tank were 2 black skirt tetras, 2 serape tetras, a guppy, a sunburt wag platy, a zebra danio, and a pleco. I took out all but 2 of my faux plants, and replaced them with frill and comboda plants. I bought a small school of neon tetra (5), a partner (1 each) for my danio and my guppy. I know all you experianced aquarists are thinking what a moron I am for having so many fish. I did weekly 25% water changes, and monotered the ammonia and nitrate and nitrite levels weekly by having petsmart test the water. Everything seemed balanced, so my mom bought me 2 drawf gouramis for my birthday. Three days after the gouramis, it was time to get my water tested, and it came out my ammonia and pH was understandably high, at .25ppm and 8.0 respectivly . I did a water change, and shortly everything was fine again, so I thought. Throughout the week, starting on monday and progressing through yesterday ( 6/17/07) 2 neons died, the new guppy died, and one gourami died. I think these fish were sick from the get-go, as the neons never schooled with the others, they were always by themselves, the guppy and the gourami were both very lethergic *sp?* I figured my water chems were messed up, so I took them to petsmart lastnight, as well as my dead babies :(. All my chems were within normal peramiters, except for nitrates, they were at 40. When the first neon died, I thought he had developed ich. I saw the tell tale white salt like crystals on his body before he died. After he died, I netted him and put him in a plastic bag so i could examine him and store him in the freezer untill I could make it to petsmart. There was no sign of these dots I had seen, so I thought it wasnt the same fish. I looked at the others, and non had the spots. Maybe I was just seeing things.... but anyways, I was worried that the fish would develop ich. This was last week, and as of today, nothing has developed. I think I am safe, as if ich was in my tank, it shoud have shown by now. So there are my problems with my ten gallon. I recently purchased a 29 gallon, it is set up, and cycling with 2 live plants, gravel, filter, heater, and bubble stone. I have asked questions on cycling at yahooask.com, and all I get is "Do a fishless cycle." I am sure all of you know what that is, and it requires adding pure ammonia to my tank. I dont want to do that, I am just not comfortable with it. I have been told its a good idea to take a few scoops of my gravel from the 10 g. and put it into the 29 g. to jumpstart the cycle. I would do this, but I am fearfull that ich is in my tank. I am soon to put the two danios in the 29, but I dont want the ammonia spike to be fatal. What do you all think about this? Again sorry for the book, but I have alot of questions, and I want a quality answer, and I know Ill get one here! Thanks!~ Bill

A340
06-19-2007, 02:25 AM
If you don't want to do a fishless cycle, you can buy a bottle of Seachem's Stability. Just add as many capfuls/gallons of water as directed everyday for 7 days. This helps your tank cycle and keeps your fish nice and healthy.

You can also use Stability to do a fishless cycle.

gm72
06-19-2007, 03:07 AM
A few things stand out to me.

1. Your pleco, if it is a common, will get well over a foot long. Be ready to get a far larger tank as he grows.
2. NitrAtes at 40 is completely too high. Likely that you killed your fish with nitrAte poisoning. 25% water changes with that high stocking was never going to be enough, just not possible.
3. Why aren't you comfortable with a fishless cycle? Very easy. Very safe since there are no fish in there to begin with. Very fast. I was a bit hesitant at first, but once you cycle a tank as such you realize how easy it is.
4. If you think you have ick in your 10, do NOT seed the new tank with that gravel. Bad idea, so you are spot on for being fearful with that. Treat for ick if you see signs and symptoms of such.

Bill M.
06-19-2007, 03:22 AM
The pleco is a common i think. He will also be transfered to the 29 when my cycling is finished. If 29 gallons isn't enough room for him, then I have a problem huh? I think it should be okay. My nitrates are high, I know that. I will be doing a 30% WC with gravel vaccum tomorrow morning, to try to fix that. I dont want to do the fishless. I just am not comfortable with it. To me, I'd rather put 2 danios in it and let it cycle. Theres alot of water, and two fish wont be too much of a bio load. I dont think it got hit with ich. Wouldnt signs of it show by now? Its been nearly a week! Not one spot on any fish! Thanks agian for your input!

cocoa_pleco
06-19-2007, 03:50 AM
the pleco will still be in trouble even with clean water. like oscars in small tanks, their growth gets stunted, then their hormones wack up, and they get lethargic and sad. however, you have time before he grows, so no worries

Bill M.
06-19-2007, 04:18 AM
GUYS!!!! lol.... I am transferring him *the pleco* to my 29 gallon tank. He will be in there by the end of the month! He will be okay :)

Rue
06-19-2007, 04:52 AM
...my advice? Return the 29g...buy a 55g...

...trust me...

cocoa_pleco
06-19-2007, 04:55 AM
55g's are pretty cool. My huge gourami and hi-fin shark especially love it. they have room to move and run.

genitor
06-19-2007, 06:11 AM
If you don't want to do a fishless cycle with pure ammonia, you can use shrimp skins instead which will produce ammonia as they decompose. Fishless cycling is good because it readies your thank for a large bioload, most times a lot largert han you will stock it with so that you can add all your fish at the same time. It is also faster that fishy cycling.

How big is your pleco?

cocoa_pleco
06-19-2007, 06:16 AM
ditto with pure ammonia. i dislike the shrimp way

Lady Hobbs
06-19-2007, 03:03 PM
You can transfer your gravel from the 10 gallon into the new tank (put it on top of any new gravel and do not wash it) move your filter inserts into the new tank and any decorations you have for now to get the new tank seeded and the bac growing faster. Your filter media will not fit in the larger tank but just so it's in the tank somewhere so it can be used for seeding. I've laid them on a bubblestone before.

Danio's are a good cycling fish so you may want to buy about 4 more and let the danio's do your cycling for you.

And...Do not add the pleco yet as he will have nothing to eat in a new tank and will starve. The trick to get this tank going well is to add fish slowly......like about 3 at a time every couple of weeks so don't run out now and buy a bunch of new ones.

In due time, the 29 gallon will be too small for the pleco as stated above. They get HUGE.

Bill M.
06-19-2007, 04:18 PM
If you don't want to do a fishless cycle with pure ammonia, you can use shrimp skins instead which will produce ammonia as they decompose. Fishless cycling is good because it readies your thank for a large bioload, most times a lot largert han you will stock it with so that you can add all your fish at the same time. It is also faster that fishy cycling.

How big is your pleco?

As of right now he is about 2.5 inches.

Bill M.
06-19-2007, 04:23 PM
Lady Hobbs....
Thanks for your info, it was much appreciated. I thought about the no-algea problem before I started the new tank. I have been planning the transfer for about 2 months, so I bought a large aquarium rock and set it in my established tank to collect algea. I seperated it with a tank seperator so the pleco wouldnt munch on it, and now it is copletely covered with algea, so when i do put him in, I will also put in the rock so he does have a source of algea. :c12:

Lady Hobbs
06-19-2007, 04:23 PM
He will be fine for some time. This was just to let you know that someday he will be a monster fish. LOL

Lady Hobbs
06-19-2007, 04:25 PM
Good thinking on the algae rock but I would still leave him, the gourami's and neons in the 10 gallon for a couple weeks. They will do fine with a bare bottom for now. The ammonia is untolerable to those I mentioned.

Mark Lathrop
06-19-2007, 04:27 PM
I'd get yourself a liquid test kit so you don't have to keep going back to petsmart to get your water tested. The API ones are good and easy to use.

Bill M.
06-19-2007, 04:55 PM
I'd get yourself a liquid test kit so you don't have to keep going back to petsmart to get your water tested. The API ones are good and easy to use.

Yea I went to petsmart last night and got the master test kit with nitrAte, nitrIte, Hardness, chlorine, pH, Alkalinlty, and then I bought one specific for ammonia.... thanks!

Mark Lathrop
06-19-2007, 06:49 PM
Sweet deal. Good luck with the cycling, I hope you don't lose any of your danios. I just finished cycling a tank using pure ammonia last week and moved my fish over to it. Good times.

Bill M.
06-19-2007, 07:19 PM
Well I just got home from petco and petsmart...... I think I did farely well.. here's what I bought:

1 Large Aquarium Rock ( With holes for fish to swim through) slightly bigger than a football $20.99

1 Aquarium backround 2.49 ft, 3 feet

2 Bushels of Java Firn 3.99 and 2 bushels of Cambomba 2.49

All together spent around 40 bucks...

Not bad for what I need for my new tank, eh?

A340
06-20-2007, 05:57 AM
...my advice? Return the 29g...buy a 55g...

...trust me...
I'm willing to bet my next paycheque that 55g tanks are the most popular size on the market. :hmm3grin2orange:

Lady Hobbs
06-20-2007, 02:26 PM
Well I just got home from petco and petsmart...... I think I did farely well.. here's what I bought:

1 Large Aquarium Rock ( With holes for fish to swim through) slightly bigger than a football $20.99

1 Aquarium backround 2.49 ft, 3 feet

2 Bushels of Java Firn 3.99 and 2 bushels of Cambomba 2.49

All together spent around 40 bucks...

Not bad for what I need for my new tank, eh?

Bushels? LOL

That made me chuckle as I know you meant bunches. A bushel of java fern would be enough for everyone on the forum.

The master test kit is about $14 online and I think I saw it at Petsmart for $28. Same one as online. Check out your online sites when buying as you can get much better deals.......especially when ordering several items. I almost always buy filter floss, filters, driftwood, artifical plants, food, dechlorinator, etc, online. PetSmart nearly always has free shipping after $50 and it doesn't take long to reach that amount.

I was also told if you see it online for one price, to print it out and take it to the store with you and they will honor that price. I don't know if it depends on the manager of that particular store or it's PetSmarts policy but worth a try.

Bill M.
06-20-2007, 06:13 PM
Haha.... I feel dumb now...:(

Oh well... yea I found a canister filter online at petsmart.com for around 66 bucks. I think it is a emperor brand. From what I hear on the forum, that is a good brand.... That will be my new toy after payday! Ive head around that the aqua tech power head filter that came with the tank isnt sufficent enough for the 29? Any experiences with that? How does a canister filter work, how is it set up in the tank?

gm72
06-20-2007, 11:17 PM
Cannisters work by placing the filtering mechanisms inside the cannister itself. Water is drawn through the media and pumped back into the tank. Best way to set it up is to have the intake on an opposite side of the tank as is the output. That way you get consistent circulation. I heartily recommend using a sponge prefilter as your mechanical filtration. In this way the cannister only rarely needs to be cleaned out and you can keep rinsing the sponge as often as necessary.