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Rhaethe
06-05-2010, 09:52 PM
Figured I'd go ahead and start this journal :sbiggrin:

Here is the entire setup I snagged from a local fish club member. The pictures are from when she was still draining it.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a116/seldom4/phpwyXLsCPM.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a116/seldom4/phpQjbQwaPM.jpg

Now then. I picked up everything today, and its all currently residing in the garage, awaiting transformation.

My 5g, although nice, is a hex. And annoying to clean. I have, therefore, decided to move all its denizens to the new 20g. I cannot put it in the same place, though. Which is fine, since the 5g is in a spot that is "kind of" dangerous, being right next to the couch. It has been toppled over once before, and it is exactly because of this experience that the BF is so leery of having many tanks in our home. And justifiably so.

So!

Our bedroom is pretty darn large. And I have moved some things around to set aside a small reading-room type of area. There is room for the 20g there.

Since the tank accents and stand are light wood grain, I believe I'll break out of my heretofore preferred mold of black-sand tanks. I'm going to go for a mixture of beige sand and various neutral colored round river rocks.

Mostly, I'd like to keep the tank hardscaped, with little plant-life. I am still undecided on whether or not I'll move the plants from the 5g into the 20g, or just sell them/give them away. Other than Christmas moss, I don't have great luck with plants.

The current plan is to place Boris the betta in the 20g. There are also 2 danio erythomicron in the 5g, and I'll probably get some more of those to round out the school. The danio erythomicrons prefer the lower area of the tank, so that will work well with Boris cruising the upper levels.

I also plan to get around 15 white clouds. I find them to be active enough, but not frenzied ... and very attractive.

First tho! Must find just the right 'scaping.

rothenb1
06-05-2010, 10:12 PM
Do the doors on the stand have fish on them!?

Rhaethe
06-05-2010, 10:13 PM
They do!

The doors are frosted glass with silhouettes of fish :sbiggrin:

Kazenouta
06-05-2010, 10:14 PM
Aren't white clouds more of a cold water fish? They're more around the 60s for water temp wise where as the betta is upper 70s/80. Not sure how compatible that makes these fish for the same tank but I could be wrong.

rothenb1
06-05-2010, 10:15 PM
That's great! I love it!

Ashley
06-05-2010, 10:20 PM
I absolutely love the stand!! so nice!

Rhaethe
06-05-2010, 10:22 PM
Aren't white clouds more of a cold water fish? They're more around the 60s for water temp wise where as the betta is upper 70s/80. Not sure how compatible that makes these fish for the same tank but I could be wrong.

White clouds are tolerant of a wide range of temperatures. Wild caught specimens, which they hardly have anymore, prefer 60 - 72°. Tank bred seem to do best around 65-75°. Betta range between 75 - 86°. Danio erythromicron like 68 - 75°.

So yah, the betta is on the edge of being compatible, temp wise. My thought is to set the tank to be right at 75 degrees, and see how things go. I do have a small tank to spare if Boris gets squirrelly.

Ashley and rothen -- Thanks! :sbiggrin:

Kazenouta
06-05-2010, 11:44 PM
Sounds like a solid enough plan then, Rhaethe as you've clearly thought it out thumbs2: Sorry, wasn't trying to tear you down

Rhaethe
06-06-2010, 01:58 AM
Oh no ... I didn't think it that way at all :) And I don't always have everything thought out. Thus why I have journals. So's people can point things out :sbiggrin:

korweabo0
06-06-2010, 03:17 AM
can't wait to see that hardscaping!

Rhaethe
06-06-2010, 05:39 PM
I need to go to buy a new router for the home network ... nearby is a Home Depot, so I will swing by there and check out their rocks and such.

Hopefully I'll find something nice :sbiggrin:

Taurus
06-06-2010, 05:47 PM
Good luck with the new tank! :ssmile:

Rhaethe
06-06-2010, 07:22 PM
Well, the Home Depot I went to didn't have much in the way of big / decorative rocks. Didn't even have much in the way of pond stuff, for that matter.

The cool thing was I got to help out a family trying to get home by jumping their car battery :sbiggrin:

korith
06-07-2010, 04:58 AM
Well, the Home Depot I went to didn't have much in the way of big / decorative rocks. Didn't even have much in the way of pond stuff, for that matter.

The cool thing was I got to help out a family trying to get home by jumping their car battery :sbiggrin:

Ah ha! So that's why you missed the fish club meeting today! You could have gotten this beautiful bag of blue gravel someone put in the auction. :hmm3grin2orange:

Taurus
06-08-2010, 12:01 AM
The cool thing was I got to help out a family trying to get home by jumping their car battery :sbiggrin:

No good deed like that ever goes unrewarded. :shappy:

Rhaethe
06-08-2010, 01:52 AM
I'm starting to debate on whether or not I should put Boris in the new tank or not.

He isn't super-aggressive, but he is belligerent toward others. There are the temperature considerations as well.

If I got a new desk (which I'm needing to anyway because its wobbly) I could possibly employ a desktop tank to put Boris in. Then tear down the 5g, store it, and put up the 20 ... as a minnow mansion / Lake Inle biotope.

I will consider these things as I search for rocks. I did find a longfin white cloud breeder that is local, though ... so that is a step accomplished.

rich311k
06-08-2010, 01:56 AM
You could put the 5 gallon on the desk. No need for another tank, it is only 50 pounds.

Boris would happily live by himself they do not need company.

Rhaethe
06-08-2010, 02:37 AM
Yah. The desk I have now couldn't handle the weight. Remotely. Thus why I need a new one.

The same breeder who breeds the longfin whiteclouds also breeds some of the Lake Inle / Myanmar danios.

I'm not sure if I want to mix them up, or do one or the other. I think it will depend on the 'scaping I come up with :sbiggrin:

Taurus
06-08-2010, 02:45 PM
I did find a longfin white cloud breeder that is local, though ... so that is a step accomplished.

This is good news. :ssmile:

Rhaethe
06-12-2010, 02:18 AM
I don't have substrate, pebbles, or any deco yet ...

But!

I'm going to go ahead and pull the tank out of the garage and scrub it. Set up the stand and whatnot, too.

I'm working on Day 3 of no smoking. Going to use the tank-scrubbing as part of my therapy, heh.

Rhaethe
06-12-2010, 05:01 AM
Allrighty. This is it scrubbed down.

http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/9766/img0716n.th.jpg (http://img815.imageshack.us/i/img0716n.jpg/)

http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/5263/img0717g.th.jpg (http://img808.imageshack.us/i/img0717g.jpg/)

http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/3227/img0718x.th.jpg (http://img810.imageshack.us/i/img0718x.jpg/)

SunSchein89
06-12-2010, 05:06 AM
Can tell the therapy paid off well thumbs2: . Looks nice and clean to me, I'm sure some fish would just love to dirty that up for you. Can't wait to see it in action.

Rhaethe
06-12-2010, 05:09 AM
Thanks :sbiggrin:

Next step is to fill it full of water and let it sit ... to check for leaks. One thing I did note ... that T5 light is BRIGHT. I don't need a reading lamp in my little nook, now.

korith
06-12-2010, 05:33 AM
Thanks :sbiggrin:

Next step is to fill it full of water and let it sit ... to check for leaks. One thing I did note ... that T5 light is BRIGHT. I don't need a reading lamp in my little nook, now.

Umm usually that's best done outside:p I really like the stand, makes what the guy was asking for the tank/stand a good deal.

While the tank is still empty, you could maybe put a temporary background up or something.

Rhaethe
06-12-2010, 05:55 AM
Umm usually that's best done outside:p I really like the stand, makes what the guy was asking for the tank/stand a good deal.

While the tank is still empty, you could maybe put a temporary background up or something.


LOL! Yes, I was going to take it outside to the car wash area and use the hose thingie to fill it quick. Tomorrow, though, since it will be lighter out, and I can see leaks better there if there are any.

I'll be doing a background, but not decided yet if I was going for a picture this time, or just plain black.

While researching cooler water fish (that is, fish that don't mind / prefer < 75 degrees) I found that Apisto Borelli, unlike other Apistos, actually prefer cooler water. Not cold water, but cooler.

So, proposed stocking at this moment is:

Apisto Borelli -- One pair
White Clouds -- 10
Danio Erythromicron -- 8

That puts me at ~75% stocking, and should cover top, middle, and bottom.

I asked the WC breeder what temp he kept his white clouds at, and he said around 73-74 ... so all three species should be fairly comfy together in a low 70's tank.

korith
06-12-2010, 06:32 AM
I'll be doing a background, but not decided yet if I was going for a picture this time, or just plain black.

While researching cooler water fish (that is, fish that don't mind / prefer < 75 degrees) I found that Apisto Borelli, unlike other Apistos, actually prefer cooler water. Not cold water, but cooler.


Can't go wrong with a simple black background, works for pretty much any setup. I thought about trying fish that would work in a lower temp, just wasn't sure how practical it was for me. The tanks in my apt right now are all hovering in the 75-80F range w/o heaters.

Taurus
06-12-2010, 05:27 PM
She's got a plan. :ssmile: Add the borelli last as they will need a mature tank.

Rhaethe
06-26-2010, 05:43 PM
Tank is still empty.

I'm in the funk of indecision of what I really want to put in there. All the sources I can find on apistos declare that plants are a must ... and I really don't want to do plants.

I suppose I could get creative with moss, but meh.

There's a breeder of multis in our fish club, so I contemplated those ... which then put me on more reading, which of course put me on the path of finding other fascinating fish.

I think I am back to square one of finding the deco that I like for a reasonable price first ... then deciding what fish will complement.

Taurus
06-26-2010, 06:14 PM
I don't do live plants either. But I do provide a lot of structure in the form of driftwood, rocks, and some artificial plant. Water changes, good food, and not to much of it do that rest. I do have a relatively large amount of biomedia in my filters.

wolf_eyes
06-26-2010, 06:35 PM
I think the reason they say that apistos need plants is just due to the fact that it keeps the water more clean. If you did bigger water changes, then I think you could go with fake ones. Unless the fish is a vegetarian, they don't really know the difference.

Taurus
06-26-2010, 06:51 PM
Right you are WE. I do twice weekly 35-50% water changes on my tanks because they are not planted.

Rhaethe
06-26-2010, 08:49 PM
Well, there will be some plant life in the tank. I can grow Christmas Moss like nobody's business :sbiggrin: Other plants, even anubias!, give me the hairy eyeball adn hiss when I come around.

I do have a narrow leaf java fern in another tank that looks nice. But it doesn't grow at all. Just stays green.

Anywho.

I found a piece of resin deco I liked whilst browsing through Petsmart. Went ahead and purchased it. Not sure if I like the color, as its outside the bounds of the "brown scheme" I was aiming for, but we'll see.

http://pet.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pPETS-3757833dt.jpg

Rhaethe
06-27-2010, 07:22 AM
Whilst scrounging around in a box of unused deco bits, I found another piece I might use. I'm not sure though. I'm really just inclined to have the one big resin piece and the rest as rocks. Dunno.

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/9563/usingboth.th.jpg (http://img683.imageshack.us/i/usingboth.jpg/)

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5420/usingone.th.jpg (http://img248.imageshack.us/i/usingone.jpg/)

Rhaethe
06-27-2010, 11:04 PM
Went to the store and purchased, sand, pebbles, and a filter.

I think I grossly overestimated how much sand I needed. I may end up scooping some out and redistributing it around. I am also not sure about the initial setup of deco and whatnot. I like the big tall root where it is though, especially as it cleverly hides the filter intake.

Here are three pictures. The last pic is with the t5 light on, the other with it off. One pic shows a black cloth for a background I tacked up there. I'm not sure I'm going to go straight black for the background on this one, though.

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1476/withback.th.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/i/withback.jpg/)

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4922/withoutback.th.jpg (http://img227.imageshack.us/i/withoutback.jpg/)

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5783/witht5.th.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/i/witht5.jpg/)

aquariums+me=happy
06-28-2010, 12:17 AM
Cool hardscape!!! Just a tiny sudgestion. If you bring the water level down a bit so the stump's top is a little out of the water it will look more like LIVE tree roots. Its up to you though:ssmile:

Rhaethe
06-28-2010, 04:51 AM
Suggestions are always welcome.

I'm still fiddling with it. I gave tipping it on its side a try, and getting rid of the piece on the right.

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/3679/wayone.th.jpg (http://img713.imageshack.us/i/wayone.jpg/)

I'm still pondering it.

I probably should just say fudge it, and get a piece of real driftwood. But the thought of doing the whole boil and soak thing over and again makes me cringe. Especially since I don't have a pot big enough to handle it.

wolf_eyes
06-28-2010, 05:11 AM
I like the way it looks when it's tipped. I also think you should keep the other piece in there :) maybe you can put the piece beside the part of the root that doesn't quite reach the substrate so that it looks like it's just going down behind it.

Taurus
06-28-2010, 07:06 PM
I like Post #34, third picture down. Just add the black background and you're good to go. :ssmile:

Rhaethe
06-28-2010, 08:43 PM
So I trimmed out the Christmas moss in the 10g, which long needed doing. Then took portions and draped it on top and around the root in the 20g.

I didn't like it much. Just didn't look right. At all. I'm not looking to get the feel of a jungle stream ... but of a mountain stream. I think Christmas moss is a bit too lush. In the 10g, it works great.

I need a moss that is droopy and dark and not stringy, but ... stringy. Maybe.

And I think I'll need ferns.

MCHRKiller
06-28-2010, 09:19 PM
As you stated you wanted a stream/river look...it may be easier to get the look you want with some real wood. Manzanita is an excellent choice as you wont have to do that whole boiling ordeal...a soak in some hot water to clean it and weight it down until it sinks.

Rhaethe
06-29-2010, 08:42 PM
Well, I was browsing through the LFS today for some stones. Got stones. And then I spied a piece. Had to dig into the lunch money to get it, but I got it ..

I like this setup much better, now. Just need some java fern and I'm done!

My batteries died in the camera, so attempted to take a clear picture with the blackberry.

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/8366/streamsetup.th.jpg (http://img686.imageshack.us/i/streamsetup.jpg/)


Right now, I don't have a heater in the tank. Temp is staying around 70. This is where I decide if I want to do cooler water species, or just thow the heater in there.

taralm13
06-29-2010, 08:45 PM
Very nice! I like this look the best so far!

MCHRKiller
06-29-2010, 08:52 PM
Looking good so far! Ive been ordering plants from www.plantedaquariumscentral.com lately...their plants are fabulous quality and if you enter "THANKYOU" at checkout you will receive 10% off.

aquariums+me=happy
06-29-2010, 08:58 PM
Much, much better!!!!! If it matches you might still be able to put the tree root one in there too (If it fits).

Rhaethe
06-29-2010, 09:00 PM
Thank you! :sbiggrin:

Here are two more pictures now that I have my camera with batteries. One is with the t5 light on, the other is with it off and camera flash. To the naked eye in my room, the t5 picture is more accurate. The background is not as vivid as it shows in that pic.

T5
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4562/streamt5.th.jpg (http://img412.imageshack.us/i/streamt5.jpg/)


No T5 but flash
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/459/not5flash.th.jpg (http://img408.imageshack.us/i/not5flash.jpg/)


Thanks for the tip on the plants!

The water is still a touch cloudy from moving things around. It should clear up soon.

Now to decide what to stock it with. Cool water species or no?

MCHRKiller
06-29-2010, 09:05 PM
There are quite a few nice cool water species, but then there are even more true tropical species. What fish initially strikes your intrest?

aquariums+me=happy
06-29-2010, 09:06 PM
NIIIeeece!!! I don't have any sudgestions on fish but get something cool!!!

Rhaethe
06-29-2010, 09:29 PM
Jenn --

I'm not sure. My first thought is to get a nice school of white clouds to occupy all the top space. But then I'm at a loss on what to occupy the bottom / mid.

The breeder I'd be getting white clouds from keeps his at around 70-75. So I could very well throw the heater in there, get the temp up to 74-75 and choose from species that like it around there, as well.

I also saw some sawbwa resplendens and thought them very nice.

I have a feeling I want a dwarf cichlid of some sort to cruise the bottom. Apisto borelli like it in the cooler side, as well as some of the pelviachromis species.

I think I need to so some reading on "stream fish". I'm not aiming for a true biotope, though.

Taurus
06-30-2010, 04:22 PM
Rhaethe, the tank looks great. It's a clean, simple look. thumbs2:

Rhaethe
07-01-2010, 04:19 AM
Thank you :sbiggrin:

Here is a snapshot with the water cleared up. Didn't take very long at all.

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/7333/allsetupneedjava.th.jpg (http://img338.imageshack.us/i/allsetupneedjava.jpg/)

I do have a heater in there now ... "just in case". I can always take it out later if need be.

Some ideas for stocking include:

Single angelfish and dithers
Keyhole cichlid and dithers
Laetacara species and dithers

The basic idea is to have the dithers occupy the top space, a school of small / pygmy cories in the bottom space ... and a mild / or community friendly centerpiece fish that would occupy all regions.

No tetras. I've tried so many tetra species, and I just don't like the buggers.

MCHRKiller
07-01-2010, 07:16 AM
I probably wouldnt do an angelfish or keyhole in a 20G...not enough landscape for them IMO...29G should be regarded as the minimum. Small dwarf cichlids would be much better options. There are tons to choose from and if your not against ordering online your options will be nearly limitless.

Rhaethe
07-01-2010, 02:00 PM
There are tons to choose from and if your not against ordering online your options will be nearly limitless.

The lfs I snag fishies from is also pretty good about being able to order things ... as well as there's a wide net of species that get bred in the local fish club I belong to.

That being said, from what I've read thus far, most of the dwarves tend to hug the bottom ... I need to find a species that likes to roam out and about.

Rhaethe
07-01-2010, 04:24 PM
A fish club member brought up a good point ...

Calvus. They grow approximately an inch a year (at best). I could easily house a young calvus in the tank for a good while ... and I'd either have a bigger tank ready when needed, or simply sell/trade at auction.

It is something to consider.

Although they do like temperature and hardness of water different than what I currently have.

Hrm.

Rhaethe
07-01-2010, 10:29 PM
Well then.

One of the founding members of my local fish club happens to also manage one of the pet stores in my area. He's a fish club member and private breeder first ... he just picked up this management thing fairly recently.

I digress.

I went by there to snag some white clouds, since the breeder I was going to get them from is moving, and had homed them there at the store.

I got sucked in by a tank of pelviachromis. They were wild caught, and not pulcher. They were caught in cooler waters and we *think* there were several morphs in there.

I snagged a pair. They are acclimating as I type.

Taurus
07-02-2010, 04:39 PM
Good luck with them.

Bristley
07-02-2010, 04:50 PM
Rhaethe I have to say that I love how your tank looks. You've done a great job with it so far.

Rhaethe
07-02-2010, 06:01 PM
Thank you :sbiggrin:

I really like the addition of the white clouds. Their movement, size, and color really compliments the "stream look" I was aiming for.

As far as the two pelviachromus, I think they are P. taeniatus. The male was the first to dig and stake out a cave area (the deco is safely hollow in places). He was also the first to color up and attempt to eat. The female I was worried about. Today, though, she seems to have colored up a little and has found a seperate spot ... as well as seems to be no longer being chased out of the male's cave.

They are still very wary of me.

Rhaethe
07-07-2010, 06:30 PM
Update:

I added a plant. I have more java fern on the way as well as some nerite snails.

The white clouds have acclimated famously. The two kribs I was worried about. Once they got rid of their stress stripes, I was able to get them identified. They are indeed pulcher. I had been hoping for taeniatus, but that's ok ;)

The first couple days, the male chased the female around without mercy. Both were pale with only dark stripes.

After almost a full week of feeding, however, they both are starting to develop actual color. And the female is developing the characteristic plump belly. This, evidently, has improved her confidence. The male still attempts to chase her about, but instead of fleeing she will swim slightly higher than he and show off her belly. This appears to (for want of a better term) mesmerize the male who then forgets why he was chasing her.

Two pictures of them from yesterday ... the lighting is really poor, and the male is still difficult to photo-cap. They have also colored up more since yesterday.

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8163/girliegirl.th.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/i/girliegirl.jpg/)

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7489/punkdude.th.jpg (http://img341.imageshack.us/i/punkdude.jpg/)

Taurus
07-07-2010, 06:50 PM
pulcher, Kribensis, Kribs. The female should color up a bit more brightly than the male. The female belly should be a reddish\purple color. Give them a few more days to settle in.

What are you going to do with all of the fry? :ssmile:

Rhaethe
07-30-2010, 06:40 PM
Update:

What one risks when you force a pair, happened. The two simply could not get along. Thus, they got separated and relocated. Yay for having a very active and large aquarium club :sbiggrin: So. That left the tank with just the white clouds. Kept it like that for ... oh, all of 3 days.

Then I happened upon two laetacara. The store declared curviceps, but I'm not so sure. I am also not sure if I have a pair or two males.

In either case, the two laetacara are absolutely neat fish. They are extremely outgoing, alert, and curious about things.

And I believe I found a fish species that is more greedy than a gourami :hmm3grin2orange:

Taurus
07-31-2010, 05:05 PM
Hey, I hope you have better luck with the laetacara than you did with the Kribs.
This is how we learn. :ssmile:

Rhaethe
08-07-2010, 06:20 AM
They seem to be doing fine thus far. I do believe they are dorsigera (red breasted acara) and not curviceps as was labeled.

I'm still not sure if they are male/male or male/female. There is a little bit of squabbling around feeding time, but nothing like the kribs displayed.

I have noticed the most intriguing behavior during the squabbles, though. The aggressor will go for the other fish and the other fish will simply go limp and sideways, as if dead, even floating up bit. The aggressor then either swims away or slightly nudges the other fish with no force and then swims away. Reminds me very much of dog/wolf dominance behavior. But with no biting or damage done.

The other behavior that I see from time to time is of color changing. I can see where their colors will eventually come in ... I think they will look exceptional when it happens.

They are very healthy eaters, and already have no fear about eating from my fingers.

As far as the tank itself, I have added what I think is dwarf sag, and I did see where algae wanted to grow, most likely from having far too much light for a while. I added some nerite snails, and it took very little time (perhaps just a day) for all the patches to get slurped up.

The minnows are doing just great, adding that river-esque ambiance I wanted. If the two laetacara can fill out and color up some more, should be great. Trying to get pics of the laetacara has proven to be difficult. They do not stay still when the camera comes out, and one of them acts like a 15 inch oscar wanting to come out and attack it :sbiggrin:


Full tank shot:

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/8203/laetacaratank.th.jpg (http://img203.imageshack.us/i/laetacaratank.jpg/)


Here's one of the laetacara eyeing the camera warily

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/7378/pouting.th.jpg (http://img375.imageshack.us/i/pouting.jpg/)

wolf_eyes
08-07-2010, 06:35 AM
>:( >:( >:( ARG! I want red breasted acaras! Not fair!!!! Why do you have such cool fish where you live and i only have moderately cool fish where I live!?

And yes, pictures of said fish are needed.

Rhaethe
08-07-2010, 06:48 AM
I just edited them in :sbiggrin:

~Col~
08-07-2010, 07:07 AM
Your tank is looking amazing! Keep up the pics!

wolf_eyes
08-08-2010, 06:34 AM
That just made me angrier. One because the tank is very beautiful and two because those fish look great in it. Can you ship your tank to me and make another one like it?

Lol seriously though, this tank is really wonderful. I love the rocks and the plant, everything is very well done in there. I think you should have serious thoughts about entering this in the TOTM

Rhaethe
08-08-2010, 09:24 AM
Thank you!! :sbiggrin:

I very much appreciate it ... and the compliments brightened my day :sbiggrin:

You should hush though wolf-eyes ... you have a knack yourself. And to be honest, your 15 was one of the inspirations for this tank. I just have no knack for keeping many plants alive ... and was too lazy to purchase real wood / manzanita :sbiggrin:

rich311k
08-08-2010, 12:39 PM
The tank is looking very nice. Good job.

Taurus
08-08-2010, 03:37 PM
Very beautiful tank. :ssmile:

FishGirl-Seattle
08-09-2010, 12:19 AM
Following this journal has been a real joy, thank you for keeping it! And your tank is just wonderful - beautiful fish! thumbs2:

Rhaethe
09-24-2010, 03:18 AM
Thought I might slip in a quick update

The tank has not changed much ... other than the growth of the plant. I am not sure if I want to snip it down or not. I have no clue how to and still retain the pointy end grass look that it had when it wasn't as grown.

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/7080/rivertank1.th.jpg (http://img39.imageshack.us/i/rivertank1.jpg/)

I still have yet to figure out which breed of laetacara these are.

And what sex they are!

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/4720/laet2.th.jpg (http://img704.imageshack.us/i/laet2.jpg/)


Also, I'd love to know what kind of plant I do have in there. They told me it was anubias ... and I rolled my eyes and bought it anyway. You can see in the first picture a tall sprout in the forefront. I have no clue how it "spread" but it did ... and that is only a week's growth. I poop you not ...

Here it is close up.

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/8944/img0851p.th.jpg (http://img203.imageshack.us/i/img0851p.jpg/)

~Col~
09-24-2010, 03:23 AM
They look great! Awesome tank!

Rhaethe
09-24-2010, 04:10 AM
Thank you :)

Well, I went and ahead and trimmed the thing. And now I wish I didn't ...

And of course trimming caused stuff to get stirred up which meant cleaning, adn then a water change. Soooo ... water is a bit cloudy.

But here goes. I left the flash on one of them.

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/8708/cutwithflash.th.jpg (http://img843.imageshack.us/i/cutwithflash.jpg/)

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/9963/cutwithoutflash.th.jpg (http://img828.imageshack.us/i/cutwithoutflash.jpg/)

Rhaethe
09-24-2010, 04:27 AM
And two more

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/5899/cutt.th.jpg (http://img715.imageshack.us/i/cutt.jpg/)

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5144/cut2u.th.jpg (http://img148.imageshack.us/i/cut2u.jpg/)

Taurus
09-24-2010, 05:52 PM
Gorgeous tanks! thumbs2:

Rhaethe
10-16-2010, 06:43 AM
Alright.

Cichlids are not for me. They are great fish ... but they don't have the peaceful quality I look for when creating a tank. I want to curl up and watch my fishies swim around ... this is relaxing. Wondering if Jaws and his Jaws friend are going to eat my snails or a minnow today or not ... is not relaxing :sbiggrin:

L dorsigera are more pugnacious than L curviceps. And I definitely had some pugnacious ones. I now have 6 white clouds in the tank. Long story short, the laetacara got re-homed a couple days ago.

So! I've decided to re-do the tank slightly. I'm not totally redoing the scaping, but I am thinking of adding more reed like plants and perhaps some dwarf sag. After that, I'm looking to add some spotted blue eyes. And maybe a school of cories, although I've not decided which, yet ... larger than pygmy, but smaller than bronze. I'm also tempted by peacock gudgeons, but I understand they may be fussy eaters.

I know for sure I'll be getting the spotted blue-eyes. After that, its up in the air.

s72450
10-16-2010, 10:12 AM
Just a beautiful tank! I was reading over your journal and thrilled to see it come out so well. I was curious though where you got the center piece of driftwood at. It's not the one from PetSmart is it? It's really lovely, I'd love to have one like it if it's fake.

Also, you have amazing plant growth, do you use CO2 or dose it with anything? I really need to get a T5 light fixture.

Rhaethe
10-16-2010, 06:29 PM
It is actually from PetSmart ... and is quite fake :sbiggrin:

I also do not dose CO2 or fertilize or anything. Very low tech.

s72450
10-17-2010, 01:10 AM
I'll have to see if I can order that on the Petsmart site. I don't have a local one nearby. You don't happen to know the name of it do you?

Rhaethe
10-17-2010, 04:03 AM
I believe its the "Top Fin X-Large Driftwood with Plants". I simply removed the plastic plants.

Rhaethe
10-17-2010, 04:55 AM
Side note on this journal ...

I noted this as I was referring back through it just now:


I don't have substrate, pebbles, or any deco yet ...

But!

I'm going to go ahead and pull the tank out of the garage and scrub it. Set up the stand and whatnot, too.

I'm working on Day 3 of no smoking. Going to use the tank-scrubbing as part of my therapy, heh.


I'm currently at month 4 of no smoking :sbiggrin:

korith
10-17-2010, 05:36 AM
I'm currently at month 4 of no smoking :sbiggrin:

Good for you! Just think of all the $ you will save and you can pour into this hobby instead:p

s72450
10-17-2010, 12:50 PM
Yikes, I looked it up, that baby is expensive! I might have to hold off a bit, lol.

Rhaethe
10-20-2010, 05:49 AM
Grah. Meh. Phooey ... and a slew of expletives I have no business repeating in text.

For some obnoxious reason, the pH crashed in the 20g. Crashed hard. And I really didn't notice it until tonight when I saw the leaves of the plant had been turning a suspicious color .... crypts melt from sudden water quality fluctuations. The equivalent of 95% water change later, and pH still is much lower than I like. I feel the need to tear the tank completely down, clean, and re-establish it.

I must look at this positively, so I will probably look into using a different substrate this time. Take out the fake driftwood and use some manzanita I have. The crypt will most likely melt through all of this. I will try and keep it intact, though.

Rhaethe
10-21-2010, 01:27 AM
Partially done.

As a note, it amazes me that when I started this hobby, it would take me 6-8 hours to set up or change out the substrate on a 5g. I managed this 20g in maybe 4.

I pulled the resin piece out. It stank to high heaven. I'm guessing there was a pocket of hollowness in there that my siphon wouldn't get to. It did not go back in the tank. I tried a couple pieces of manzanita that I had ... didn't like then all that much, so ordered a piece that looked like it would do well.

Replaced the Estes sand with some Caribsea Peace River. Looks like ---

http://fl2.shopmania.org/files/images/3795/caribsea-peace-river-freshwater-natural-substrate-50-lb-bag~3794459.jpg

Examined the crypts and tried to remove as many badly yellowed leaves as I could to give the rest of the plant a chance. I am dubious. I replanted it a little bit further away from the corner, hoping to give it a bit more "breathing room. I do intend to get more plants. Will probably pick those up tomorrow.

Will snap pics once the water unclouds a bit.

Rhaethe
10-23-2010, 07:53 AM
Allrighty. Replaced the substrate, replaced the resin driftwood with manzanita, and did a 95% water change. No mini-cycle and the water appears stable. Stuck a small bit of crushed coral in the filter to help, though.

I think I need more plants, and/or a bit of moss of some sort.

http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/752/img0924.th.jpg (http://img547.imageshack.us/i/img0924.jpg/)

Four white clouds in there now. Will probably add 2 more. Am undecided on the rest, however.

Figure I might place some cherry barbs in there and/or some spotted blue-eyes. I am very undecided on whether or not I will do a three species tank or a two species tank.

And I may change the background. Am undecided on that too. May just keep it. Am feeling lazy now, heh.

HomaridNoob6
10-23-2010, 08:36 AM
hadn't seen this journal, just read through it now. This newest one is probably my favorite of the scapes your tank has gone through, looks nice, of course theyve all been pretty nice, anyway, journal was a cool read, keep it up.

Taurus
10-23-2010, 08:53 PM
The tank looks really nice. I like the new gravel. It gives the tank a nice clean look. thumbs2:

Cherry barbs would go well with the WCMMs. I've had great luck with mine. They're very active

kurly
10-24-2010, 12:35 AM
Beautiful tank thumbs2: I like the newest scape also. Maybe it's because I love manzanita driftwood. Please continue to keep this journal going as I love to see how masterpieces progress from beginning to end :ssmile:

Rhaethe
10-24-2010, 03:24 AM
Thank you :)

I went and snagged two more plants today, as well as two white clouds to make the group a little rounder and less fractious with each other.

I will snap some more pictures tonight!

kurly
10-24-2010, 03:37 AM
Good, I can't wait to see them!

Rhaethe
10-24-2010, 08:07 AM
Here we go. Not much different, but two new plants ... the broadleaf sags in the front and back.

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/2289/img0929a.th.jpg (http://img529.imageshack.us/i/img0929a.jpg/)

I think once I get some moss and floaters, I'll be done with plants.

korweabo0
10-24-2010, 10:43 PM
despite the small amount of change, it's great progress!

Rhaethe
10-24-2010, 11:42 PM
Snagged a little bit of subwassertang today. Also acquired 6 cherry barbs.

The barbs are definitely active little things! They remind me of a cross between a cory and a minnow, always buzzing about and wiggling their whiskers. They do have teeny little whiskers. Is neato.

I REALLY need to get some frogbit now, to provide some interest in the open area.

Taurus
10-25-2010, 03:06 PM
Picture please. :ssmile:

Rhaethe
10-27-2010, 05:29 AM
I will ... when the crypts stop telling me how angrified they are at being moved and given new fresh happier water / environment.

Bastards. Every day I snag another melted leaf out of there.

I have a love hate relationship with crypts. I had hoped they wouldn't flip after being moved ... and at first they seemed ok. But noooo ... sneaky bastards.

korweabo0
10-27-2010, 05:45 AM
what's the current stock #'s? i was reading along and i lost count, haha!

Rhaethe
10-27-2010, 07:24 AM
Current stocking after quarantine and acclimation (1 minnow did not survive this ... it was particularly large, so I suspect was old) --

5 white cloud minnows
6 cherry barbs
18 red cherry shrimp

korweabo0
10-27-2010, 01:42 PM
Current stocking after quarantine and acclimation (1 minnow did not survive this ... it was particularly large, so I suspect was old) --

5 white cloud minnows
6 cherry barbs
18 red cherry shrimp

do you plan on getting more WCMs?

Rhaethe
10-27-2010, 04:43 PM
I am not sure. I may get one or two more barbs, female, to ease up on the single female that is in there now.

If I place any more fauna in there while the plants get back to some sort of "happy place", it will most likely be nerite snails.

Garrett
10-28-2010, 05:03 AM
The tank looks great!

I would imagine the minnows and barbs don't generally mix their strata-the minnows are more on top, the barbs bottom/middle, so the color difference between the two layers would be interesting.

I love cherry barbs, probably one of my two or three favorite fish. Uncomplaining and easy to care for. I do try and keep equal numbers of male and female in my tank, currently I've got six or seven of each. They're definitely a species that gets more outgoing the more you have (obviously there's limitations in a 20, lol)

Do you find your shrimp increasing their numbers in the presence of fish? From what I've read the offspring get snatched up pretty quick if there's any fish about.

Taurus
10-28-2010, 02:33 PM
I love cherry barbs, probably one of my two or three favorite fish. Uncomplaining and easy to care for. I do try and keep equal numbers of male and female in my tank, currently I've got six or seven of each. They're definitely a species that gets more outgoing the more you have (obviously there's limitations in a 20, lol)


Ya gotta love uncomplaining and easy to care for. Not to mention attractive and active. Yup, I have 4 males and 4 females in my 20 long.

Rhaethe
10-31-2010, 05:43 AM
I will look into picking up a few more female barbs tomorrow then.

Here are some pictures. The subwassertang seems to go where it wants at the moment, and I am content to let it do so.

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9995/img0935p.th.jpg (http://img87.imageshack.us/i/img0935p.jpg/)

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/421/img0936e.th.jpg (http://img543.imageshack.us/i/img0936e.jpg/)

Taurus
10-31-2010, 03:49 PM
Now that is a great looking tank! Well done. thumbs2:

Rhaethe
11-05-2010, 08:31 PM
The tank looks great!

I would imagine the minnows and barbs don't generally mix their strata-the minnows are more on top, the barbs bottom/middle, so the color difference between the two layers would be interesting.


When I initially obtained the barbs, this seemed to be the case. Now, however, both schools seem to mix it up.


Do you find your shrimp increasing their numbers in the presence of fish? From what I've read the offspring get snatched up pretty quick if there's any fish about.

The shrimp were a fairly recent addition. They have, however, colored up fabulously, have little fear from the fish in there now, and I've seen a couple saddled. How well this bodes for babies surviving the fish, we'll see.

I will be uploading some new pictures soon. The water has finally cleared up from the crypt melt ... and the crypts have finally stopped whining and pouting. I attribute part of the quick turnaround to the shrimp, actually. The shrimp nomnom'd on all the dead and dying portions of the plants, leaving only the fresh and living parts. This allowed the plant to stop expending energy to dying bits, and did it in a much more holistic / nice way than my bungling fingers would have done.

Rhaethe
11-18-2010, 08:59 AM
Here we go ... new pics. The first is from last week, the other tonight.

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5332/img0947a.th.jpg (http://img441.imageshack.us/i/img0947a.jpg/)

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/9821/img0954fe.th.jpg (http://img35.imageshack.us/i/img0954fe.jpg/)


Current stock is still at 6 cherry barbs, 4 mountain minnows, 20 red cherry shrimp, 1 nerite snail

I had wanted to snag another female or two, but when I got back to the lfs, they were still waiting a fresh shipment in.

Taurus
11-18-2010, 04:17 PM
I really like this tank! Great job. Do the cherry barbs bother the cherry shrimp? :ssmile:

Rhaethe
11-18-2010, 04:52 PM
Not that I can tell. The shrimp whirr about like helicopters, zooming about and scurrying around somewhat leisurely all in the open. The shrimp are growing really quickly ... I think the barbs' mouths are just too small for them to think of the shrimp as meals.

I've seen saddled shrimp last week, and caught sight of a heavily berried one last night ... so perhaps we'll soon find out if baby shrimp get snacked on.

I'm really pleased with the barbs ... pretty active and cleverly alert little fish.

Taurus
11-18-2010, 06:24 PM
I'm really pleased with the barbs ... pretty active and cleverly alert little fish.

Yes they are. I'm very pleased with mine. I'll bet the cherry barbs will go after cherry shrimp eggs when they're about. But maybe you're looking for a bit of population control anyway. :ssmile:

Rhaethe
12-16-2010, 06:41 AM
Update and a picture!

I found a couple shrimplets. They did not photo well at all. But they were adorable. A white cloud mysteriously perished. No clue what of, but everyone else has been fine. Brings stock to 3 white clouds, 6 charry barbs, and 20 odd rcs.

The plants are starting to fill out a bit. I would really like some more nerites.

There's a part of me that would love to put a single angelfish in there ... but it would snack heavily on the shrimp I'm sure. And I like the shrimp, so will opt not :sbiggrin:

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/8913/img0961fe.th.jpg (http://img690.imageshack.us/i/img0961fe.jpg/)

Taurus
12-16-2010, 06:09 PM
It is simple, yet elegant tank. The placement of the plants is very appealing. :ssmile:

The same can be said of your 10g.

Rhaethe
12-16-2010, 08:16 PM
Thanks! :sbiggrin:

Did a little switchup. Rehomed the minnows entirely (they were hunting down the shrimplets) and then snagged three more cherry barbs -- Two female, one male.

Taurus
12-16-2010, 08:45 PM
Well, that would make it a Cherry Tank! :ssmile:

Rhaethe
02-19-2011, 08:36 PM
Had a few mysterious deaths amongst the barbs a while back. I suspect internal parasites, since the ones in question ate fine, but still appeared to "waste away" ... along with the typically translucent stringy poo. Fed the rest a regimen of garlicky food, and the issue appears to have gone away.

Let some more time pass, and opted to snag some rummynose tetra to provide some different movement and complimentary color in the tank.

The shrimp are breeding like mad. And the plants are starting to send shootlets and babies out here and there.

Rhaethe
02-20-2011, 05:17 AM
Figured I'd throw up some pictures with the earlier update.

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/2797/img1014mr.th.jpg (http://img130.imageshack.us/i/img1014mr.jpg/)

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/5535/img1016m.th.jpg (http://img820.imageshack.us/i/img1016m.jpg/)


The rummynose are actually the bleheri version, or "firehead tetra". The buggers are very friendly and cluster around when I look like I might feed ... but bring the camera around, and they want to find interesting things in the back corner.

And yes, all the little tiny white dots are nerite snail eggs. That never hatch. I suppose they add character to the tank, and sometimes I wonder how the hell the snail in question managed to get them in a given spot ... I suppose a tank full of spawning is a happy tank though.

Taurus
02-22-2011, 05:39 PM
The rummynose are actually the bleheri version, or "firehead tetra". The buggers are very friendly and cluster around when I look like I might feed ... but bring the camera around, and they want to find interesting things in the back corner.



Are the rummynose as friendly as the cherry barbs at feeding time? The tank is looking very nice. Plants look great! :ssmile:

CassieLEO
02-22-2011, 06:00 PM
You should add some Marimo balls in that!!! So pretty!!!!

Rhaethe
02-22-2011, 09:09 PM
Thank you :sbiggrin:

I was thinking about snagging some marimo balls, actually ... Just have to find the real marimo balls, and not the javamoss version.

Both fish species hold their own with each other when it comes to feeding. The barbs are a touch more boistrous individually, but the rummynose have more confidence while in their group. So it balances out, I think. They are probably some of the best schoolers I've seen ...

Rhaethe
03-24-2011, 04:53 AM
Update:

Lost one rummynose. I believe I'll let my LFS know that their stock has been running off quality within the past couple months. The other rummys are fine ... color looks good, params good.

Of course, I must expect a few more deaths than normal with the stock I get, I think. The LFS near home has a habit of purchasing larger fish ... read, older or cast off breeders. Certainly, that gives me nice plump fishes that I don't have to wait to grow up ... but, they are near the end of their years.

That being said, at the auction, I snagged a proven pair of honey gourami. Not the color variant of colisa lalia ... but actual colisa chuna. The female is as sweet as she could be. The male is a right bastard :D I anticipate him calming down after some time, though. He certainly does give the nippy barbs what for :sbiggrin:

Taurus
03-24-2011, 03:36 PM
Congrats on the Honey Gourami! Nippy cherry barbs? I hope the male Honey teaches them a lesson as they shouldn't be nippy!

My first batch of Cherry Barbs was an adult batch. The females are very fat and I lost one a couple of weeks ago. The loss could have been due to aging. But I have since aquired 4 juvenile males, and 3 very small females and all are doing very well. None of the younger cherries have come into full color yet, but they will. I hope you can find some juvenile Cherry Barbs sometime in your travels.

Rhaethe
04-01-2011, 02:40 AM
Well then. Stock is down. Some, due to a particular aggressive little ass. Some due to said aggressive little ass getting re-homed.

The female honey has really bloomed once the male was rehomed. She's this pleasing caramel color. Some would say drab, but she's really rather lovely in a not-in-your-face way. She's also far more accepting of neighbors.

So, to recap stocking levels now that everyone is "at one with the world" now ...

5 rummynose tetra
2 cherry barb
1 female honey gourami
RCS colony
4 nerite snails

The barbs don't seem too fussed about being only "2". They travel with the rummynose and the rummies accept the extra numbers. I will keep an eye on things ... don't want to move anyone new in there until things get properly settled.

Rhaethe
04-20-2011, 04:50 AM
No stocking change. But figured I'd provide pictures. I might take out those spadeleaf sag plants. I'm not terribly fond of them. Once I figure out what to put in their place.

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/8874/img1035pn.th.jpg (http://img715.imageshack.us/i/img1035pn.jpg/)

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3699/img1037pq.th.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/img1037pq.jpg/)

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/7453/img1040z.th.jpg (http://img560.imageshack.us/i/img1040z.jpg/)

Rhaethe
11-23-2011, 12:29 AM
No stocking change ... other than the shrimp colony got decimated by the rummynose and gourami.

I did get rid of the t5ho lighting and swapped over to a regular t8 bulb. The plants seemed to prefer the change.

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/5526/img1115p.jpg

Rhaethe
12-03-2011, 09:39 PM
One of the two cherry barbs left passed on a couple months ago. Age. I'm not worried. I never got around to replacing the shoal numbers ... the remaining cherry barb did start getting pale and listless though. Always hiding.

Finally got to the LFS after a bit and picked up a few. Two females, two males, bringing the cherry barb group to 5. It was an immediate and marked improvement for the loner. He's all bright red and active again. Heh. Gotta keep things perky for the ladies!

ldoerr
12-05-2011, 02:44 AM
Your tank looks beautiful

Rhaethe
12-26-2011, 01:23 AM
This tank received an small overhaul. In a moment of derrrr-ness I got a little overzealous in the cleaning a month ago ... and this sparked a chain of events that now has the wood taken out, as well as the crypt wendtii. Installed now is java fern in various places.

I will take pictures later. Its way too cloudy from all the plant moving right now.

Rhaethe
12-31-2011, 02:50 AM
As promised, pictures once the water cleared.

Current stocking is as follows. And yes, this tank is slightly overstocked. And I'd rather like to put some endler's in there to take over the top-middle area. All the fish in there now all want to stay at the bottom. New aquarists, do not do this. I do have two filters on this tank -- An AC30 and an AC20.

It really amazes me with as how many fish that are in this tank they all disappear when the camera comes out.

5 rummynose tetra
5 cherry barb
5 ember tetra
7 pygmy cories
1 female honey gourami
2 nerite snails

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/2352/img1186c.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/651/img1186c.jpg/)

http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/4453/img1190f.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/861/img1190f.jpg/)

Rhaethe
04-13-2012, 04:37 AM
I come bearing updates.

This tank has now been dismantled and the fishies within transferred to my 40g breeder. The plants got sent to my brother in law.