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MrKickalot
05-03-2007, 03:19 PM
I setup my new tank for my Jacks. I had planned on letting it cycle a little until I checked the water they were in. (My friend gave me the fish and tank). I checked the nitrates and they were deadly high(over 250). I moved them to the new tank 2 days ago. I must say the nitrates were really stressing them, they are moving much more and not hiding as much. Here's the problem. I am new to cichlids. The little one (male) has lost a lot of color. He was very colorful last night. He was pretty dark and had decient color. Today he all the sudden is very light in color, almost like he's washed out. The big one (female) has not changed color.

PH: 7.0, Alkalinity: 120, Hardness: 120, Nitrates and Nitrites are 0. Temp is 78-80.

Is this normal? Is it because of the sudden amount of light. I will say the female hides more than the male so less light gets to her. Other than the water there are only 2 differences between their old tank and new (other than it's a 3 times bigger tank. My friend didn't care so they never had light. They are under 10 hours a day now. The other difference is the tanks in a place with more people around. I hope this is nothing, they seem ok otherwise... still a little scared of people but swim and chase each other around.

Thanks,

frizzlefish
05-03-2007, 04:02 PM
Have you checked the ammonia level?

MrKickalot
05-03-2007, 07:23 PM
Have you checked the ammonia level?

Don't have a way to test it... I thought of that but couldn't check it... Could that be the problem? What's the best way to fix it?

Oh yeah, the water's cloudy too... don't know if that matters?

Thanks,

gm72
05-03-2007, 11:46 PM
Check your ammonia. IMMEDIATELY. Buy a test kit. NOW.

MrKickalot
05-05-2007, 11:52 AM
Well... as usual the people on here know their stuff.... Ammonia was in the stressful level... 25% water changes all the time for me now... As long as the fish are ok I don't care to do more work... I was really damned if I did/Damned if I didn't. The ammonia is high in this tank and the nitrates were through the roof in the other tank. I swap the BioMax from my well established 110 and put it in the filter for this tank, that should help!!

Thanks again everyone!

gm72
05-05-2007, 12:28 PM
25% water changes "all the time now". Not sure what you mean. Weekly? Bi-weekly?

MrKickalot
05-05-2007, 01:32 PM
25% water changes "all the time now". Not sure what you mean. Weekly? Bi-weekly?

I figure every 2-3 days? Unless you have a suggestion?

cocoa_pleco
05-05-2007, 02:31 PM
do a 30-50% change weekly, but 75% is better. 250 nitrates? WOW, thats high

Lady Hobbs
05-05-2007, 02:44 PM
I'm surprised they lived thru nitrates that high. Nitrates should be at or below 30 and more like 10-20. My neon's turned nearly white when I had a recent algae bloom and nitrates hit 40.

You have to have the test kits if you have fish. All this moving of the fish, setting the tank back up and adding all these fish at once thru the tank into another cycle. Did you use the same gravel your friend had? If you did, and didn't wash it in tap water, you should have the tank going again in a short time along with used filter media. If not, or you used new gravel, you are going thru another whole cycling process.

Your tank is trying to finish up it's cycle by having these high nitrates but having them that high is as toxic as the ammonia and nitrites.

You need to do a large water change and then keep up on it every couple of days until you have no more ammonia, nitrites and your nitrates are reasonable.

MrKickalot
05-05-2007, 04:12 PM
Amazing... Put established BioMax in my filter last night and changed the water this morning... 150% diference. They aren't hiding as much and their color is back!! Thanks for all the help!!

gm72
05-05-2007, 05:12 PM
Good job! Now your task is to stay on top of the situation. A little extra time with your fish will go a long way!

MrKickalot
05-07-2007, 12:04 AM
I'm getting a little frustrated... Checked the Ammonia this morning... .50ppm... did a 50% watch change. This evening... 1.00ppm(just a shade under so call it .90ppm)? How did it get worst? They have only been in there a week (there's only 2). Can their be that much waste already? Do I need to clean the gravel already? I know I don't want to stress them but how many ppm is harmful? The kit I have really doesn't say? With 2 kids and 2 jobs I can't change the water more than once a day.

Thanks,

gm72
05-07-2007, 12:19 AM
You shouldn't need to change the water more than once weekly once you have your tank cycled. Doesn't sound like your tank is cycled yet. Hence your difficulty.

MrKickalot
05-08-2007, 01:57 AM
Now I have a new question?? It seems like with or without water changes the ammonia has stabalized at 1.0 ppm. I know that's high but it seems to be stable. Nitrates and Nitrites are 0. Any ideas why??

Thanks again for the help.

gm72
05-08-2007, 01:58 AM
Are you sure your test kit is accurate? Are you overfeeding? We need to keep that ammonia down.

MrKickalot
05-09-2007, 02:22 AM
This is really messing with the fish... The larger one (female I think) darts into the glass at full speed and jumps out of the water and hits the hood before settling down enough to hide. Another water change with no change in Ammonia... 1.0 ppm? Still no nitrates or nitrites. I just can't figure it out... Here's a off subject question? Here's my tank maybe there's something in it that messes it up... new gravel, plastic plants, 2 clay flower pots, Fluval 205 filter and a 6" Airstone from Walmart, any chance that is making a difference?

I'll keep you all posted!

Thanks,

jeffs99dime
05-09-2007, 02:28 AM
This is really messing with the fish... The larger one (female I think) darts into the glass at full speed and jumps out of the water and hits the hood before settling down enough to hide. Another water change with no change in Ammonia... 1.0 ppm? Still no nitrates or nitrites. I just can't figure it out... Here's a off subject question? Here's my tank maybe there's something in it that messes it up... new gravel, plastic plants, 2 clay flower pots, Fluval 205 filter and a 6" Airstone from Walmart, any chance that is making a difference?

I'll keep you all posted!

Thanks,


the pots are not going to make any difference in the ammonia level. actually, nothing you listed would make a negative impact on the ammo. level

gm72
05-10-2007, 12:19 AM
Are you sure you are reading the test results properly? Not trying to be smart about it, but something is very wrong and your fish are paying for it.

MrKickalot
05-15-2007, 09:54 PM
you all will be happy to know the ammonia levels have fallen to .25ppm!! Nitrite is up a little.. .25ppm. PH is 7.2 and Nitrates are about 10! As ammonia goes down one of the "N's" goes up.. nitrites or nitrates? Just need to know what to keep a really close eye on!! Thanks again for all your help!!

gm72
05-15-2007, 10:17 PM
Ammonia goes down, nitrITe goes up, then the nitrITe is converted to nitrATe and it goes up, nitrITe goes down.