Help!

[j0hnh0lmes]

So I finally moved up from the 10 gallon and got some new fish..but am having issues with Angelfish.

So I have a 29gl tank, I have 2 tiger barbs, 1 tetra, 2 corys, 1 pleco & 4 of some red fish with black tails (the fiance bought them so I don't know the name). They are all doing fine in the new tank. (Yes I let the water "cure" and added water & objects from the 10 gal to help move things along.

I've had 4, yes 4 Angelfish die on me. (Again, the fiance bought these, I would have only gotten 1 if even). She is dead set on having one on the tank so I'm here to see if you guys can help.

The filter is a 25-30gl filter, can't think of the name off the top of my head, I bought it at wal-mart. Two of them died from the our dwarf frogs attacking them. ( I believe they mis-took the fins for flake food). I got rid of the dwarf frogs right away. The other two seemed to be fine only to be found on the filter in the next two days.(One per day) Do you think they are getting stuck on the filter b/c they are smaller or could it be my fish and/or water? I haven't gotten the water tested b/c I live so far out of town and the lady broke the bank buying the fish...so I can't get a test kit till next week.


Again, the other fish are doing great. *shrug*

[Northernguy]

What are your perameters at?Ammonia,nitrites and nitrates
Can you post a pic of your fish.It will help to ID it.

You may want to read the ebook.There is a link in my sig.

[j0hnh0lmes]

I don't have any perameters as stated...I don't have a kit and won't be able to bring the water in to get tested until this weekend.

[rich311k]

Healthy angels can be hard to find in stores. You may want to try a different store. Oneis enough for your tank.

You have a lot of schooling fish without schools. Tiger barbs and angels are a no go. The barbs especially need to be in groups of 6 or 8. You need to decide if you want the barbs or the angel.

What kind of pleco is it? Chances are good it will out grow the tank as well.

[Northernguy]

I am betting your fish are dieing due to high ammonia or nitrites.
If you cannot get a test kit then start doing 50% water changes daily if you want to keep any fish in that tank.
I also suggest that you do more research before buying more fish.

[j0hnh0lmes]

I'm not sure the type of pleco. I've had him for about a year, he's the reason I moved into a 29g. He is about 6" now. I started with a school of each fish...but I could never figure out were they were going (never found bodies). But I figured it out when I saw my dwarf frog attack the angelfish. I don't mind getting rid of the Barbs as they are fin nippers anyways. I will probably not have a choice either way though (again fiance is dead set on an angelfish).

@Northernguy

Why am I having issues with ONLY the Angels then? All the other fish are healthy.

[Bristley]

Angels can be pretty sensitive to water parameters, so of your other fish are a bit hardier. Also, as rich said it can be hard to find healthy Angels in stores. They may have been weak/sick to begin with.

If you can, please post some pics of your fish and we'll be better able to identify them for you.

[j0hnh0lmes]

I'll take pictures tonight or try to have the fiance do it now and text them too me.

[Northernguy]

You might want to look into more filtration as well.If you plan on keeping angels in a 29 you will need it.

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[rich311k]

harlequin rasbora
probably a comman
somekind of minnow
platys

[rich311k]

bronze cory, I think.

[Northernguy]

The first pic is a harlequin rasbora.
The second looks to be a common pleco and will outgrow the tank.
You laso have what looks like platies and a corydorus catfish.

The pleco alone has a bioload that your filter will not keep with.They are tank polluters.

[j0hnh0lmes]

I believe the green one is some type of neon..

The cory is called electric green *shrug*. Petsmart names for them at least.

Should I get rid of the pleco? I do have live plants also.

[annageckos]

It sounds like your tank is still cycling. I wouldn't add anything untill it is stable. Get a good liquid test kit like API master test kit. Dwarf frogs are too small to kill anything but the very tiniest of fish. They max out at about an inch tops inch and a half for a female. They may nip at fins sometimes. Now regulare african clawed frogs get big and can eat anything that fits in thier mouths. They can eaisly kill fish. But I have had lots of dwarf frogs with lots of different fish. They never harmed or tryed to eat any of my fish, not even the little neons or betta fins. If a fish dies in a tank with other fish they can eat the carcuss very quicky, it can be gone in a couple of hours. Remember that dwarf frogs can only eat what fits in thier mouths, they have no teeth and do not chew. They may be able to rip off pieces to something very soft, like a rotted carcuss. You need to figure what fish you want and set up proper schools for them. A school would be at least six fish. The barbs are nippy fish and I wouldn't mix them with an angle. The tetras and cories need to be upped to at least six each. I am going to guess that the red fish with black tails are wag tail platies or some other type of platy. You pleco is probably a common and in that case it is stunted, though you may see some growth in the new tank. Most important right now is to get a liquid test kit and do lots of water changes untill your tank is cycled. Ammonia and nitrite are very toxic and can cause long term damage, nitrates are less toxic. The readings on the tank should be ammonia 0, nitrite 0, and nitrate less than 20. Good luck.

[Northernguy]

The green one may be a glofish which is danio.

[j0hnh0lmes]

Would 6 cories be overload though? I have 4 of the red ones...

I have no problem getting rid of the 2 tiger barbs, 1 pleco, & 1 glofish.

How many smaller fish could I fit in the tank? Isn't it 1 inch per gallon?

[Bristley]

1" per gallon is a good general rule for beginners, but it is not the size of the fish as it currently is, but the size it will be when fully grown. Also, you have to look at each fish species to see if there are other things to take into account.

Some fish have a bigger bioload than their size would indicate. Plecos are big wasters, goldfish too, as are some others.

Also, some fish just need more room to swim or are territorial and need more space.

All of these things need to be considered, BEFORE, purchasing any fish.

The best bet is to reseach the fish species that you would like to have in your tank and see if...

1) you have the equipment to support them
2) they are compatible with each other
3) if you are willing to deal with additional problems that may present themselves no matter what you plan.

Also, if you find, through researching that one of the fish species you wanted isn't a fit for your setup or compatibility wise, you can continue researching into what other fish might work with what you want.

hope this helps.