Allexperts needs to have more rigorous standards

[Chrona]

Was doing a little research and came across this gem of a response

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How many fallacies can YOU find? :)

[Abbeys_Mom]

I agree. The answers are not the be all and end all though. You have to take every bit of information on the internet with a grain of salt.

[Incredulous_Ed]

I agree. The answers are not the be all and end all though. You have to take every bit of information on the internet with a grain of salt.
Was the pun intended?

[cocoa_pleco]

TG i quit with allexperts. I love the famous one i answered

"Im breeding oscars in a 10g, and am wondering if i can keep an id shark and a pleco with them"

Jeez



lol, salt with the tetras, they cant even have salt at all

[Chrona]

I think the problem nowadays is that it's hard to pick out what is good advice and what is bad advice. Especially on sites like allexpert, people go in thinking the people there actually are experts and will take everything said to heart. This guy clearly has never used a hydrometer before, nor used it to add salt to the aquarium. 1.015 is almost marine salinity (and 1.07 is brackish), so there's no way he runs a freshwater tank with that, but it does sound so convincing. There are a bunch of other dumb things he said (since when were neon tetras or plecos scaleless?) but lying about your experiences to make your advice sound better (horrible advice no less) is just plain stupid. I'm no expert either, but I don't claim to be, and I try whenever possible to only give advice that I have applied myself. And when I have not tried it myself, I certainly make damn sure I did my homework. If the asker went with his advice, he would have gotten a tankful of dead fish. I'm going to send him an email. Let's see what he says, heh

[Drumachine09]

I think the problem nowadays is that it's hard to pick out what is good advice and what is bad advice. Especially on sites like allexpert, people go in thinking the people there actually are experts and will take everything said to heart. This guy clearly has never used a hydrometer before, nor used it to add salt to the aquarium. 1.015 is almost marine salinity (and 1.07 is brackish), so there's no way he runs a freshwater tank with that, but it does sound so convincing. There are a bunch of other dumb things he said (since when were neon tetras or plecos scaleless?) but lying about your experiences to make your advice sound better (horrible advice no less) is just plain stupid. I'm no expert either, but I don't claim to be, and I try whenever possible to only give advice that I have applied myself. And when I have not tried it myself, I certainly make damn sure I did my homework. If the asker went with his advice, he would have gotten a tankful of dead fish. I'm going to send him an email. Let's see what he says, heh




I agree. If you dont know the answer to a question, dont make up a BS answer so you sound smart.


Ohhh! post the dialouge!

[Lady Hobbs]

I've been there 3 times. Got the same gal twice and had very good answers. Another time she was busy and I got a total air head.

[crackatinny]

I sorta stick to here, if I am having probs with a certain issue, after 8 months on here, I have worked out most peoples expertise on various subjects, all members help out, but certain subjects there are certain members more experienced in that field, overall, I think there are enough experts on here, in there own fields, to cover the hobby pretty well:thumb:

[Chrona]

I've been there 3 times. Got the same gal twice and had very good answers. Another time she was busy and I got a total air head.

I'm sure there are many many qualified experts on that site, but there are probably many many dummies too. If you look at the requirements, you basically just have to be polite and be able to write in proper English, lol.

Imo, expert = knowledgeable and have applied that knowledge to personal experiences.

[Chrona]

Haha


Thanks, Jim, for the critizism, I'll keep it in mind. However, I had a lengthy explination to your concerns that i felt was too derogitory to finish and send. If you wish, we can further discuss things as needed.

Thanks again,
Darryl

[Drumachine09]

Haha


Thanks, Jim, for the critizism, I'll keep it in mind. However, I had a lengthy explination to your concerns that i felt was too derogitory to finish and send. If you wish, we can further discuss things as needed.

Thanks again,
Darryl



To derogitory? Come on! Were all adults here. (kind of :hmm3grin2orange:)

[Chrona]

Newest email. I'm skeptical about his claims.

Well, Jim, I have a tank of cardinal tetra with enough salt to house a tang or a lion... temperature and pH high enough for most salt water adventures too, so I'm confident that if done properly, just about any fish can be acclimated for salt water. I've changed a lot of my advise and toned things down quite significantly, however, in all the followups and emails i've received, I've yet to hear one complaint that ill advise killed someone fish. In fact, I've had people singing praises over how my advise saved a fish all others said to euthanise. Things like late stage dropsy, severe stress, and advanced swim bladder infections have been resolved without fatality with a little care and planning and advise on my end. not everyone uses the same treatment patterns, or medication types, and everyone believes in different water conditions. My theory is whatever works is whats best. The things i suggest work for me, so thats what i'll continue to use.

[Drumachine09]

Newest email. I'm skeptical about his claims.

Well, Jim, I have a tank of cardinal tetra with enough salt to house a tang or a lion... temperature and pH high enough for most salt water adventures too, so I'm confident that if done properly, just about any fish can be acclimated for salt water. I've changed a lot of my advise and toned things down quite significantly, however, in all the followups and emails i've received, I've yet to hear one complaint that ill advise killed someone fish. In fact, I've had people singing praises over how my advise saved a fish all others said to euthanise. Things like late stage dropsy, severe stress, and advanced swim bladder infections have been resolved without fatality with a little care and planning and advise on my end. not everyone uses the same treatment patterns, or medication types, and everyone believes in different water conditions. My theory is whatever works is whats best. The things i suggest work for me, so thats what i'll continue to use.



You've got to be kidding me. Saltwater cardinals my ass!

[cocoa_pleco]

i think that guy had 1 too many joints

[DemonShark]

I work on that site... And you should see some of the questions....

[jeffs99dime]

if you ask me, this forum is way, way better!!!:ezpi_wink1:

[Abbeys_Mom]

Was the pun intended?

:11:
Seriously, people who come to AllExperts.com are certainly people who need help. A few (not all, and no offense if anyone here has asked questions there)
should NEVER be allowed near fish. I have had a question or two that had me gritting my teeth as I answered them. Some people are down right abusive to fish, but I try to keep in mind that they may not know any better. It's hard to hold on to that belief in the "age of the internet", because now you can look up tank size and compatibility and whatnot BEFORE you buy the fish.
Ignorance is not longer a valid excuse.

[DemonShark]

You must also keep in mind that at least they tried to get help...

[Abbeys_Mom]

Like the AA saying (not that I go to AA), Before you can solve a problem you have to admit you have a problem.

[DemonShark]

LOL so true

[2manyfish]

Well, Jim, I have a tank of cardinal tetra with enough salt to house a tang or a lion... temperature and pH high enough for most salt water adventures too, so I'm confident that if done properly, just about any fish can be acclimated for salt water.


:confused: I can't believe someone as ignorant as that is on an advice team!!! A liar too but the worst is that a newbie may actually take this moron's advice to heart!! I'd love to hear how he "cures" late stage dropsy!!

[Drumachine09]

Well, i joined allexperts, and there are alot of people that ask questions that could be answered by the almighty google. heres one i got:

"how long does it take for a fish egg to hatch"

Thats it. No fish type or anything. I sent him this:

"Use google"



Another one said he had an oscar in a 29, but could no longer care for him. He said he "released him into a canal pond that looked like it had other cichlids in it." He wanted to know if he would survive. I told him no, and he would screw over the ecosystem before that.

[DemonShark]

He might if he lives in Florida... jeez some people are soo stupid.