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toddnbecka
01-10-2010, 01:27 AM
Here's the first pics of the tiny new red lizard whiptail fry. I was really beginning to wonder if the eggs would EVER hatch, even though they weren't fungused. Apparently dear old daddy red stayed with them, doing something that looked like pushups to keep water moving through the pvc tube, while they absorbed their yolk sacs. I looked into the tube just last night and noticed he was alone in there. At first I couldn't see any fry, but I gradually realized the wee buggers were all over the tank. Most were/are on the glass and plants, a couple on the sand and sponge filter. Trying to get pics of something that small with an autofocus point-sand-shoot camera isn't easy. Most of the attempted closeup shots focused on something further back than the front glass, but I managed to get a couple.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1030591.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1030615.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1030617.jpg

I'm hoping this doesn't get ugly before the new one arrives:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1030611.jpg

toddnbecka
01-10-2010, 01:33 AM
Look closely in the middle of the pic:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1030600.jpg

Two on the back glass, just about the actual size:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1030609.jpg

Three (one out of focus) hanging among the Najas (left side.) Love the tiny camo pattern:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1030620.jpg

Oscar_freak12321
01-10-2010, 01:36 AM
Those are some awesome shots TnB! Awesome fish as well! :19:

rich311k
01-10-2010, 02:19 AM
Very cute. Congrats on the spawn.

Crispy
01-10-2010, 02:23 AM
Sweet fry and pics! Great job breeding your L#s! thumbs2:

Lab_Rat
01-10-2010, 08:25 AM
Congrats and great shots!

toddnbecka
01-10-2010, 08:04 PM
Thanks for the kind words. Breeding them is the easy part; raising the fry is another matter. From what I've gathered if they make it through the first month they're well enough on their way. I've been clouding the water with microworms in an attempt to get enough live food on the sand for them to eat whenever they want, but they all seem to be on the glass and plants. I haven't seen any on the driftwood yet either. At this point I'm wondering if they're like BN fry; I've seen those stay in the cave with the father for several days (or more) after the yolk sac is gone. Obviously, there can't be any food in there for them, but they don't seem to get any thinner before they do venture out on their own.

annageckos
01-10-2010, 08:15 PM
They are so tiny! Congrats on them. In one pic you can see a MTS and get a good feel for how small they really are.

toddnbecka
01-14-2010, 06:40 AM
Here's another size comparison pic, the 2 tiny fry are at the same distance from the camera as the "giant" thermometer:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1030635.jpg
Little better look at their overall appearance:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1030644.jpg

Their tails do seem to be longer 5-6 days after the first pics:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1030628.jpg

Hard to see among the Najas, it's where most of them hang out:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1030629.jpg

LadyHatred
01-14-2010, 12:19 PM
Their so cute! And you have excellent "point n shoot" skills! lol I know nothing about this particular pleco and, do they actually have red in them when matured?

Either way, fantastic! :22:

Red
01-14-2010, 01:29 PM
Very nice plecos you have there!

toddnbecka
01-14-2010, 05:54 PM
The trick is to get the autofocus to target something at the proper distance and delete most of the pics (that don't come out.)
Most of them are red, a couple are grey/brown, I'm not sure quite how it works. Both males are red, and so are some of the females. They grow to around 4" or so, definitely less than 5". More omnivorous than BN, though I keep them in the same tank as dozens of juvie BN growing out. They all eat the same diet; mainly NLS pellets, sometimes spirulina flake, and veggies once weekly. The males prefer bamboo "caves", I couldn't find any so I use 1" pvc tubes. The females spend most of their leisure time hanging among the hornwort.
Here's a pic of a gravid female, can't miss the red color:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1030522.jpg

Here's a brown one:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1030647.jpg

BN growout/whiptail breeding tank:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1030656.jpg

Closer shot of pvc tubes:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1030648.jpg

toddnbecka
01-14-2010, 05:57 PM
Here's a very red cherry female shrimp in the same tank for color reference:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1030651.jpg

MCHRKiller
01-14-2010, 07:28 PM
I ordered 5*3" L010a Red lizards for my 100G...I have fingers and toes crossed that they breed. Your fry are extremely cute. Ive never kept this species before, how active are they during the day?

Ellen4God
01-14-2010, 10:28 PM
How tiny they are!!! They look adorable! thumbs2:

toddnbecka
01-15-2010, 05:59 AM
They're not a particularly nocturnal species from what I've seen, but the adults aren't very active in general. The males hang out in the tubes, the females hang out in the floating hornwort jungle. They do move around, but they aren't active swimmers.
If you want to breed them I'd definitely recommend setting up at least a 10 gallon tank for the fry. I moved the tube containing the male and clutch of eggs several days before they hatched. After the fry cleared out of the tube it (and the male) were returned to the 38. When the fry grow past the 1" mark they'll be moved into a larger tank, same as the BN juvies.

xximanoobxx
01-15-2010, 06:02 AM
Awesome!!!!

toddnbecka
01-20-2010, 01:55 AM
The next round is in the works, smaller number of eggs this time.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1030717.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1030718.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1030719.jpg

The wee buggers are growing fast; I'm looking forward to being able to see them w/out leaving noseprints on the tank:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1030730.jpg

EmmanuelJB
01-20-2010, 02:41 AM
thumbs2: Great Shots!!

toddnbecka
01-26-2010, 06:09 AM
Couple more fresh pics, I'm surprised at how quickly the fry are growing. Check the current size of these on the back glass:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1030772.jpg

Only 16 days ago they looked like this (same distance from the camera lens):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1030609-1.jpg

This one looks really good, showing plenty of color:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1030755.jpg

MCHRKiller
01-26-2010, 06:32 AM
Theyre looking great!

If you opt to sell these guys online, Id glady buy some :14:

toddnbecka
02-13-2010, 06:00 AM
Latest pics, they're now past the critical first month and measure 5/8-3/4" total length. Naturally some are bigger than others, but they're all looking fat and sassy (relatively speaking, LOL.)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1030843.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1030858.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1030874.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1030854.jpg

The adults have spawned twice more, but both times the eggs disappeared within a couple days. The second time I moved the tube with the male and the remaining eggs into the 10 gallon with the fry, but they were all gone the next day. Looks like I'll have to separate them for hatching. I can't understand why the male did such a good job with one brood, and not the successive ones.

Ellen4God
02-15-2010, 01:40 AM
Still as cute as ever!! Thanks for sharing updated pictures. :)

rich311k
02-15-2010, 02:18 AM
They are growing well. Thanks for the update.

toddnbecka
03-10-2010, 08:59 AM
The first batch of fry have been moved out of the 10 and into the 38 with the breeding group. Finally got a head count, total of 37 from .75-1" long. The tube holding the new eggs and the male tending them are now in the 10, and they should hatch in another day or two. Looks like a larger number of eggs than the first 3 rounds, probably a group effort from the females, and I'm very happy to see that he didn't eat them like the last 2 smaller spawns. They're very brown now, the babies are clearly well-developed, but I didn't want to disturb the male any more than necessary by taking pics after I moved them.
Here's a few pics of the fry in the transfer container:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1030893.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1030899.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1030897.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1030898.jpg

Pretty decent growth rate, considering how small they were when they hatched about two months ago. They should be big enough to ship by April-May if they continue to grow at the same rate. You can see the variation in size among them, it remains to be seen how the larger tank with stronger water flow will affect that.

VoidParadigm
03-10-2010, 12:53 PM
Adorable fry. Shame you're in the States, otherwise I'd take some.

toddnbecka
03-11-2010, 06:02 PM
The new eggs have hatched, the male and his tube have been returned to the 38, and there are tiny little whiptails all over the 10 gallon. Here we go again... thumbs2:

toddnbecka
03-11-2010, 06:44 PM
I found this precocious little bugger in the 38, yplk sac already gone. Apparently there was at least one egg that hatched significantly earlier than the rest.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1040002.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1040003.jpg

rich311k
03-11-2010, 06:45 PM
How cute! Those are great shot.

MCHRKiller
03-11-2010, 07:58 PM
Awesome shots! Thank you for the update, I know that I for one will definatly be interested in some of the fry once they are ready to ship :22:

octoxpuss
03-11-2010, 10:04 PM
I agree once they are shipping size I might have to buy some. Great job with raising the fry too. It is awesome and keep us updated

troy
03-11-2010, 11:21 PM
Excellent photography skills. Good luck with the fry.thumbs2:

toddnbecka
03-20-2010, 04:43 AM
Now I'm starting to worry. Last weekend I moved 37 fair-sized fry out of the 10 to make room for the new batch. There are at least as many week-old fry in there now as I moved out, probably more.
A day or so after the tube and the male were returned to the 38, he had a new, small clutch of eggs in there.
No problem, I just planned to move them into the 10 again, add a few more to the new gang.
Tonight, I shined a small flashlight into his tube for a good look at the eggs to see how they were coming along. The small clutch has grown sometime over the course of the last several days, and now goes halfway around the inside of the tube. Looks like another batch as large as the recent hatch.
I haven't had any problems keeping a dozen adult BN and up to a couple hundred fry in a 30 long, but I'm wondering how many L-10a fry I can keep in a 10 at the rate they're spawning.

toddnbecka
06-25-2010, 07:19 AM
Here's a couple fresh pics from the 38. I had it stripped down for cleaning, and temporarily placed a powerhead and quickfilter in the tank to collect some of the floating debris. The whiptails were hanging onto the floating mass of hornwort and java moss, appraently enjoying the current:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1040386.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1040385.jpg

The largest "fry" are nearly the size of the adults now, though some are quite a bit smaller. They're all well past the delicate stage and ready for shipping if anyone is interested. As you can see in the pics, some are red, some are brown, and some are sort of camoflaged grey/dark brown. One of the adult females is nearly black all over, and the breeding male is red.

The little red BN are coming along nicely too, but need at least a couple more months to grow before they'll be shipping size:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/toddnbecka/P1040387.jpg

mac
06-25-2010, 08:48 AM
Great tank pics. And as for the Whip Tails they look great. Nice pics.

mac

Trillianne
06-25-2010, 05:02 PM
This whole thread is full of wonderful pics! Very cool to see those tiny pleco-fry!

Cliff
06-25-2010, 05:06 PM
Some great pics and cute looking little plecos

Congrats thumbs2:

little hawaii
06-28-2010, 07:42 PM
Fun stuff eh. Nice pics, were your pair wild and where did you buy them?

toddnbecka
06-29-2010, 04:29 AM
I have a group of 2m/5f that I picked up on an aquabid auction as unsexed juvies last year. From what I've heard the wild-caught specimens that were first imported a few years ago were very difficult to keep alive, much less breed. Obviously someone either figured it out or just got lucky, and now tank-bred stock is available and much easier to work with.

FishGirl-Seattle
06-29-2010, 04:53 AM
Wonderful! Congrats to the proud papa!:19: