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J Pribb
11-22-2009, 02:30 AM
Been awhile since Ive posted an update. Not as good as Rich's photos but still worth a look.

Ive had these bosies for about a year now, got them when they were 1.5in,, now they range from 2.5-3.5. First,, this is sexual maturity size correct? Second,, perhaps you can take a look at my photos and concur or deny my guesses as to which fish is which sex.(hopefully that made sense).

Tank Rundown
55 Gal
Live Plants(lots)
5 Bosemani
1 Anglefish
7 Emerald Cory
2 CAE & Pleco

Lets start with the pictures.

This I believe is a female. This is also the only one who doesnt display to the others. All the others will come side by side and shimmy while showing a wide variety of colors. Ive also noticed alittle headbutting in those jousts. However I never see this bow involved in any of it. Notice the dorsal profile, with her it seems more streamlined, while the others have not only the lower hump(belly), but also a slight hump on the dorsal side. Am I correct is this a female ( if so, then unfortunely its my only one)?
http://www.rk1gaming.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=165&pictureid=1666



This photo shows mostly if not all males. Notice the lower left fish and the dorsal hump,, I associate this with the males. The only reason I dont purely associate color intenisty with sex is because I only have the one that doesnt really display deep color. Is color intensity a male attribute? Sorry for photo quality,, this is the best I can get and why Im so jealous of Rich.

http://www.rk1gaming.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=165&pictureid=1667


Another showing also my large sword plant. How large will the amazon sword get,, large enough to fill the tank(atleast front to back)?

http://www.rk1gaming.net/forum/album.php?albumid=165&pictureid=1668

Thanks for taking the time to look at my photos and answer my questions.

Also have a few bad youtube videos too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MjUKndUDsM

mommy1
11-22-2009, 02:41 AM
i wasnt able to view the pictures, but your fish and tank look great in the video.

J Pribb
11-22-2009, 02:59 AM
Hmm, thank you for the picture info,, I will get right on that.

J Pribb
11-22-2009, 04:00 PM
Unfortunately Ive expired the edit time limit. Sooo.. heres the pics. Uploaded them to imageshack, hopefully no problems this time.


This I believe is a female. This is also the only one who doesnt display to the others. All the others will come side by side and shimmy while showing a wide variety of colors. Ive also noticed alittle headbutting in those jousts. However I never see this bow involved in any of it. Notice the dorsal profile, with her it seems more streamlined, while the others have not only the lower hump(belly), but also a slight hump on the dorsal side. Am I correct is this a female ( if so, then unfortunely its my only one)?

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/4518/picture047k.jpg


This photo shows mostly if not all males. Notice the lower left fish and the dorsal hump,, I associate this with the males. The only reason I dont purely associate color intenisty with sex is because I only have the one that doesnt really display deep color. Is color intensity a male attribute? Sorry for photo quality,, this is the best I can get and why Im so jealous of Rich.

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/7023/picture039.jpg


Another showing also my large sword plant. How large will the amazon sword get,, large enough to fill the tank(atleast front to back)?
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/9108/picture035s.jpg

Sorry for the photo hosting problems. let me know if your still having problems viewing photos,, they are showing up in browser for me now.

Northernguy
11-22-2009, 04:09 PM
That sure makes it easier to look at pics!
Their colors will begin to pop when they are getting ready to spawn.
Nice shots!

rich311k
11-22-2009, 04:25 PM
Nice tank and fish!

trojannemo
11-22-2009, 10:59 PM
This I believe is a female.
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/4518/picture047k.jpg



that is a subdominant male, not a female. sorry!
it looks like you have nice fish, but all males! they are in spawning age after about 7-8 months. some spawn even before that! your fish should be spawning but they just dont have a female!

the amazon sword will grow up and out, so it will eventually cover your whole tank unless you trim it! i have an amazon sword right now that started as a puny plant with about 10 leaves and now has at least 50 leaves on it and is at least 10 inches across and over 20 inches high! so just give it time:22:

EDIT: for future reference, the coloration is a good indicator of sex in boesemani, so go with it. another thing to look at is the first dorsal fin. if it overlaps with the second one, it is a male. females will have shorter dorsals that wont overlap.

Deleted User
11-23-2009, 12:02 AM
Beautiful fish!!!

J Pribb
11-23-2009, 03:02 AM
that is a subdominant male, not a female. sorry!
it looks like you have nice fish, but all males! they are in spawning age after about 7-8 months. some spawn even before that! your fish should be spawning but they just dont have a female!


EDIT: for future reference, the coloration is a good indicator of sex in boesemani, so go with it. another thing to look at is the first dorsal fin. if it overlaps with the second one, it is a male. females will have shorter dorsals that wont overlap.


edit: Upon closer inspection I dont really notice that any of the bosie have overlapping dorsal fins. Maybe 1/10th of an inch, but just the aft tip of the forward dorsal fin overlaps. When you say shorter do you mean almost non existent? Perhaps you might know of a good photo of a female bosie. Where's rich when you need him. Rich,, you got a photo of a female bosie?




Thanks for all the info and comments.


When trying to sex the bosie at the store,, what should i be looking for. Seperate dorsal fins,, what else.

Is the vertical stripe(mid fish),, is that a male only trait? Im just trying to find away to get some females for sure. I would hate to go get more just to get some males. And I dont really trust the guy behind the counter 100%.

Also,, small sidenote. I notice sometimes that my biggest bosie and a large cory have developed a special relationship. The cory will swin off by itself an do its normal hunt for food,, when around the bosie's stump,, the bosie will color up and float nose to nose with the cory. The cory is of course oblivious to all and just goes along, but the bosie is very vibrant colors and is vibrating. Is this the mating technique,, is this what I should look for when I get the next batch of bosie?

trojannemo
11-23-2009, 04:46 AM
here are some shots of my female...look at how short the first dorsal fin is, and notice the coloration. there is no split-in-half coloration in females.
http://www.keepitfishy.com/fish/femboesemani5.jpg
http://www.keepitfishy.com/fish/femboesemani7.jpg

in contrast, look at your own males or these pictures of mine. the first dorsal fin is much larger so when they're put down they overlap ever so slightly with the second dorsal, which doesnt get even close in females.
http://www.keepitfishy.com/fish/elizabethII_4.jpg
http://www.keepitfishy.com/fish/elizabethII_7.jpg

i dont know what's going on between your boesemanis and your cories, but they wont "get it on" at all. when rainbows want to spawn they will flash (stripe on their foreheads) and they will display their fins. when the female wants to she'll be darker-colored (my lacustris female turns almost BLACK!) and they will swim next to each other and start shimmering until the eggs are released by the female, after which they tend shake hands and go their ways!

J Pribb
11-24-2009, 02:06 AM
Thank you very much Trojan,, those pics make the difference very distinct.

Based on my current stocking situation how many if any females should I try to get? I was thinking atleast 3, max 5(dont really want that many fish in the tank) Stocking list in sig.

trojannemo
11-25-2009, 02:43 AM
i'm not good at recommending stocking, but i can tell you that 10 rainbows plus all those other fish you have in your tank would be way too much for a 55gal tank.
you dont NEED females, so i would stick with what you have. if you do get females then you need at least 1f:1m ratio, preferably higher, so you would need to get rid of some of the males and replace them with the females...
i personally would keep what you have:22:

AquaLene
12-15-2009, 07:26 PM
Sorry J Pribb, I agree, your new "gal" seems to be a boy.
The fin gap is more obvious when their fins are flat as shown in T-nemo's pics
It is really difficult to explain the dorsal fin ID unless you see it in a mixed male and female tank.
The males dorsal's appear as "one fin" when flat, and the females appear as fin 1, and then fin 2 (if that makes sense?? :) )

Northern Guy is spot on, it doesn't matter if you don't have females. The male bow's "show off" and display regardless of females in the tank.

Gap is visible here more or less: See this one looks like one fin = male
http://www.headzone.co.za/mypics/picture047kb.jpg

As you can see there is no gap on your pic. Wonder what it is though, doesn't look like a boesi, let him grow bigger and then perhaps an ID is more apparent?

AquaLene
12-15-2009, 08:34 PM
Sorry just realised I missquoted Northern guy for Trojannemo, re "you dont NEED females," Soz, I always associate this icon to Northen guy...:22: ... lol :hmm3grin2orange: I meant you T-nemo... :ssmile:

J Pribb
12-15-2009, 09:35 PM
@aqua-- oh he is definately a bosie,, he colors up just the same as the others,, just when dull he's really dull. I will post up a pic once i can get the little girl to sit still for a second.

I think my need is all pyschological. Ive always wanted a tank that is as natural as possible,, and in that quest i usually go alittle overboard. Lol, with that being said,,, I believe I found one, and will post pics for ID when I get a good one.