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rookie
08-11-2009, 04:20 AM
Ok for all of u who do not know my delema I just got a 110g tank up and running about 18 days ago since then I added my angel who I had for a yr now and has lived happy at a ph of 6 since I got him, and I have added corys 16 danios total and two baby bn plecos. The corys and the angel were the only to live and I had to quarintine the corys because they got ick. The rest seemed to die within a day or two due to a white coating over there body and even eyes.
The two best ideas I have from others are
1. Move the angel to a spare tank. Empty the 110g clean everything and start over with about 30 feeder goldfish my new plants and some new seeded media. Logic being something is really wrong and we need to start over.
Or
2. Keep everything the same add my plants and slowly raise the ph up to 7 so that other fish adapt easyer. The logic being that the new fish are eratated by the current low ph of 6 that the angel has adapted to
jaysee
08-11-2009, 04:33 AM
OHHHHHH, the pH of the 110 is 6??????
I don't know what mine is but I'm sure it's higher.
rookie
08-11-2009, 04:34 AM
Lol yea I'm sorry I thought u knew
jaysee
08-11-2009, 05:23 AM
Africans .
rookie
08-11-2009, 06:28 AM
Yea I think that is gonna be it mabe I can talk my girl into puttin a 29g in the bedroom so we can keep the angel. Does anyone think i can keep the angel with africans
Lab_Rat
08-11-2009, 06:31 AM
No way would I keep an angel with africans. It would get destroyed. With your low pH I would not recommend africans, even though the tank is a great size for them. What about a bunch of angels? Or some other SA cichlid since they prefer soft acidic water.
wolf_eyes
08-11-2009, 07:00 AM
raising ph is a lot easier than lowering it. They have special gravels made of crush coral and the like that are specifically designed for african cichlids that will keep the ph up for you.. That said, i would kill for your problem. I wish i had water with the ph of 6, then I could keep all the little fish i want. If i had you tank i would do a SA biotope, of course, that's all up to you.
jaysee
08-11-2009, 07:08 AM
Africans .
Ooops, I thought african cichlids liked acidic water.
rookie
08-11-2009, 03:57 PM
Ok no africains, I didn't know there was a diffrence between SA and affrican. Well no my choices are an angel tank a SA tank and a biotype I heard the name biotype before but don't know what it is. Any other suggestions. What would u guys do
Northernguy
08-11-2009, 04:05 PM
With your low ph Africans would be difficult.You would have to mess with the ph all the time.Water changes would be a bit tricky too.
It would make a great discus tank if you like doing a lot of water changes!lol
I would do a SA community tank.
rookie
08-11-2009, 04:11 PM
Wow a whole new aspect to the hobby. Y whould I have to do alot of wc's with discus. I know they are gental fish but can discus live in a community SA tank with my angel. I'm doin my reasearch on SA cichlids now to see what I like
rookie
08-11-2009, 04:18 PM
Ok did a little reading no discus. I want to be able to enjoy my fish not live for them lol
Northernguy
08-11-2009, 04:19 PM
Discus need pristine water conditions all the time!
They are very temprmental fish.They need tons of maintenance!
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bushwhacker
08-11-2009, 05:26 PM
jaysee africans need hard water and a high ph. rookie you may need to think about breaking that tank down... not being able to see whats going on. but that white coating all over the fish does not sound good.. and i would definatly skip the feeder goldies, you never know what kinds of disese you could intro to your tank.. either fishless or some other hardy fish..the seeded media is a great help.
jaysee
08-11-2009, 05:49 PM
jaysee africans need hard water and a high ph. rookie you may need to think about breaking that tank down... not being able to see whats going on. but that white coating all over the fish does not sound good.. and i would definatly skip the feeder goldies, you never know what kinds of disese you could intro to your tank.. either fishless or some other hardy fish..the seeded media is a great help.
I got'em mixed up.
If danios aren't hardy enough, what is?
rookie
08-11-2009, 07:01 PM
heard that the white coating could be a skin irratation due to the low ph is that true
wolf_eyes
08-11-2009, 11:45 PM
Biotope basically means your fish and plants all come from the same area and the tank is setup to look like it's from that area. Most people don't do a super strick biotope as those are usually best left for natives where you can look straight into the water and see exactly how it's set up. But if you wanted to do a SA biotope i can get you some info on it
heard that the white coating could be a skin irratation due to the low ph is that true
No, are you dead set on cichlids?
Just get a bunch of tetras, some other stuff like loaches and an awesome center piece. That is what I would do.
rookie
08-12-2009, 04:59 PM
i am not dead set on cichlids i just want to be able to get fish that can thrive at my ph level of 6. it just sounded like the SA cichlids were the best canadates. i went to my lfs yesterday to try to find a low ph fish and all of there cichlids were just labeled "africians" i dont know what cichlids are SA but i am doing my research. i asked the lfs owner what is the lowest ph fish he had besides discus and he mention the tetras i looked a few up on my phone and i noticed the black tetra could live in a low ph so i got 6 of them and driped them for about two hours and then let them sit in that water for about an hour finally put them in they have been in there for about 15 hrs and so far so good they look good and swim activly. this was kinda my test to see if the ph was definatly the problem. however how can i tell what are the best fish for a low ph and if SA cichlids are how can i tell which ones are SA.
i am not dead set on cichlids i just want to be able to get fish that can thrive at my ph level of 6. it just sounded like the SA cichlids were the best canadates. i went to my lfs yesterday to try to find a low ph fish and all of there cichlids were just labeled "africians" i dont know what cichlids are SA but i am doing my research. i asked the lfs owner what is the lowest ph fish he had besides discus and he mention the tetras i looked a few up on my phone and i noticed the black tetra could live in a low ph so i got 6 of them and driped them for about two hours and then let them sit in that water for about an hour finally put them in they have been in there for about 15 hrs and so far so good they look good and swim activly. this was kinda my test to see if the ph was definatly the problem. however how can i tell what are the best fish for a low ph and if SA cichlids are how can i tell which ones are SA.
Almost all tetras are built for low PH, besides the specific PH doesn't matter all that much it just needs to be stable.
I need a little refresher on here though, what was your original stocking and what problems aere you having?
Sorry I came here a little late but I'm a bit confused as to what is going on with your aquarium.
rookie
08-12-2009, 07:31 PM
np i just love how everyone is trying very had to help. i set up a new 110g and put my angel fish in that i had for about a yr and his tank was always at a ph of 6. every fish that i put in has died due to a white film on them except the corys i only lost one of them to a combo of ick and the white film the rest of the corys are struggling in a quarintine tank with ick. last night i got black tetras because i read that they can tolarate a low ph and so far so good they been in the tank for about 15 hrs or so and they still look good were as all the rest died or were sick almost overnight.
the search for fish that like low ph and are compatible with my angel has been rough. every fish i can find and that i like eather is not compatible or needs a higher ph.
i like sevs but i think he might hurt the angel, im starting to like discus but i heard they are not compatable. im gonna do some congos but what else
if you could suggest a few it would be greatly appriciated keep in mind its a 110g and i am going to plant it.
jaysee
08-12-2009, 09:19 PM
Almost all tetras are built for low PH, besides the specific PH doesn't matter all that much it just needs to be stable.
I need a little refresher on here though, what was your original stocking and what problems aere you having?
Sorry I came here a little late but I'm a bit confused as to what is going on with your aquarium.
Read the first post....
Read the first post....
I wasn't entirely clear on the meaning.
np i just love how everyone is trying very had to help. i set up a new 110g and put my angel fish in that i had for about a yr and his tank was always at a ph of 6.every fish that i put in has died due to a white film on them
Is that in 110g or the tank the angel was in?
except the corys i only lost one of them to a combo of ick and the white film the rest of the corys are struggling in a quarintine tank with ick. last night i got black tetras because i read that they can tolarate a low ph and so far so good they been in the tank for about 15 hrs or so and they still look good were as all the rest died or were sick almost overnight
Wait so are the black tetras dead or are the still okay?
The white film problem could be a number of things however I am not an expert with diseases.
Right now you probably shouldn't add any more fish until you know there aren't any more problems.
I encourage you to plan out your tank in advance before buying things as it makes it a little easier IMO.
Most tetras are good for low PH. Some of my favorite fish are loaches which also require low PH.
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