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lobsternoob
08-07-2009, 12:05 AM
Ok, so as kind of a side thing I help an owner of a pet store and some of his customers set up, and maintain their aquariums. One woman who was a customer of mine (until today) just will not listen to me and is frustrating as all heck. I'm just posting this to vent frustration so feel free to skip reading it, here's the story.

She has a 40 gallon tank, and insists on using sharp, broken coke bottles as decorations, no clue why, they look terrible. I offered to sand the rough edges down a bit, and apparently that's unnaceptable. So in her tank she had a bunch, probably 30 or more painted glassfish. These have been dying at a rate of 2-5 a week or so the last month or more. I nicely explained to her the problems with these fish, and whats done to them, and told her to please not buy them because the dyeing process, and because they're not gonna live long. So she shined me on said ok, and so on. Today she calls me, tells me that her tank smells bad and she needs my help.

So I head over there and first thing i notice is there's a lot more glassfish, of course, she ordered 40 more of them off the internet. Theres like 4 dead ones stuck to the filter intake and a couple more floating and on the gravel in various states of decomposition, HMMM wonder why the tank smells?!?! She had also ordered 2 beautiful gold nugget plecos to take care of her algae problem, a tiny bit of algae on the glass that would take maybe 1 minute a week to clean off. I had also already told her not to put plecos in the tank, lack of food for them, bioload, and size... So I cleaned out the dead fish, did a water test, holy moley there's less ammonia in most hospital janitorial closets than her tank. Then i started on a waterchange, which every time i do she stands and watches me to make sure i dont spill a drop, even though I throw down a painters dropcloth when i do WC's for my customers. At this point I was pretty frustrated, and not really too happy with her take on fishkeeping.

THEN, she starts telling me how much her grandson wants a jack dempsey, and shes going to take him this week to go pick one out at the store, so my response is ok, well lets go to the store and get you a tank, and get it set up. I run a few extra filters for "instant" cycling, and have also talked the LFS owner into keeping extra filter medium running in a few filters for that reason. So getting a tank set up pretty quick wouldn't be impossible, and it couldn't possibly have higher ammonia than her tank of glass death. Her response, "Oh no dear, I wouldn't want all the work of having another tank." I'm like ok, well you might as well write those glassfish off right now, cause they're dead meat once you put a JD in there. Well no, apparently it'll be fine since they're very fast and brightly colored and that will throw the JD off. Plus since the JD wont be any bigger than 6 inches it couldn't possibly eat a fish that's almost 2 inches. Ya, maybe it wont eat them, but it'll pick the poor things to pieces. Talked to her for a while trying to convince her, wasted almost another hour of my time, and got nowhere.

So it finally came to the point where I couldn't take it anymore. I told her I won't do any more maintenance for her unless she was willing to listen to my advice, was very clear that I'd help her stock with any type of fish she wanted as long as they weren't dyed and were suitable to mix. I even offered to get her my discount on fish she wanted (I get my fish at the LFS cost from the supplier). All unsuccesfully, its her tank, so shes going to do what she wants. She then refused to pay me, and told me to go somewhere very hot... She called me back this afternoon and lectured me saying it had to be my fault another of her glassfish died because of the waterchange I did, I wished her good luck with the JD and asked her nicely not to call me again and hung up.

End of huge rant, if your still reading this I'm very surprised. sometimes when i take care of tanks for people I just want to scream.

bigbad-ratman
08-07-2009, 12:09 AM
everyone is an expert huh? especially people who are paying YOU!!! you stuck with it longer than i would.thumbs2:

Rue
08-07-2009, 12:11 AM
Bah...she needs the SPCA sicced (spelling?) on her...

Sharon
08-07-2009, 12:17 AM
When did you get bailed out of jail for assault???:hmm3grin2orange: Seriously, you must have the patience of Job!!!:ssmile:

Northernguy
08-07-2009, 12:19 AM
I know her! :cussingblack: :hmm3grin2orange:

You did the right thing. Hopefully you will not see her again!

MCHRKiller
08-07-2009, 12:30 AM
lol, I deal with people like this on a daily basis. I give them correct information, and let them go with that. People are ultimately going to do what theyre going to do, you cant change stupidity.

Gemini
08-07-2009, 12:37 AM
OMG how frustrating!!! You lasted a lot longer than I would have!!! Silly lady!!

lobsternoob
08-07-2009, 12:51 AM
Thanks for the kind words :) makes me feel a bit less like I'm the insane one. And MCHRKiller, I feel for you, I've worked at a couple LFS' before, 2 good and 2 bad ones, and no one ever seems to listen, they all seem to want 4 oscars in a 20 gallon tank... The sad part is the good ones are the ones that go out of business, and the bad ones don't, they just keep stocking 200 bettas in a half cup of water each, and 5 million plecos, oscars, and pacus.

Wild Turkey
08-07-2009, 02:47 AM
You handled it well.

These people are always gonna be out there. The best thing you can do is not help them obtain more pets

Its one thing to be lazy and still want pets, thats where people like you (and me) come in. However, its quite another to refuse to follow that persons advice and blame the subsequent deaths on them. She obviously has other issues

sailor
08-07-2009, 02:56 AM
We run into that problem alot where the customer will just not listen to reason. When we get people like that who insist they need this mix or that fish and they have been told that it will not work for this or for that reason, we tell them up front that we will not honour the 30 day guarantee on that particular fish. We guarantee all our fish (except feeders)for 30 days unless it is against stupidity.

Wild Turkey
08-07-2009, 03:04 AM
We guarantee all our fish (except feeders)for 30 days unless it is against stupidity.

Great way to put that ! thumbs2: :hmm3grin2orange:

MrJim
08-07-2009, 03:13 AM
You've more patience than me that's for sure...

Oscar_freak12321
08-07-2009, 03:25 AM
You lasted longer than I would have, I would just kick her out and tell her to have a heck of a time trying to find a better employee and better care.

lobsternoob
08-07-2009, 03:32 AM
I love that Sailor, "We guarantee all our fish (except feeders)for 30 days unless it is against stupidity." Too funny, but it really makes a lot of sense. I bet some people still come back like, we put these neon tetras in with our oscar, and they disappeared, like the title of the thread though, some people just don't listen. Thanks again for the support all, I hate to write off a customer, but there are some things I just cannot handle, and I refuse to be a part of someone basically slaughtering fish due to incompetence and ignorance.

Lady Hobbs
08-07-2009, 03:39 AM
Why bother trying with her? House calls at that! Forget her and put your efforts to someone who cares and will listen.

lobsternoob
08-07-2009, 03:44 AM
Hit the nail on the head Lady Hobbs, I'm no longer bothering with her, in fact I told her not to ever call me again. I feel bad for the fish that will suffer, but they're fated to die no matter what I do.

Fishesses
08-07-2009, 03:04 PM
You should have stocked her tank with her head. :hmm3grin2orange:

robflanker
08-07-2009, 03:05 PM
thats an insanely frustrating story lol

you can take the horse to water, but you can't make it drink

sandypants
08-07-2009, 03:20 PM
Ugh how annoying!!!! sorry you have to deal with that. Hopefully you won't have to see her again- or hear her calling in a month to say all of her fish "disapeared" after she got the JD.

Oh well not your fault, live and learn. Hopefully she LEARNED.

mac
08-07-2009, 10:36 PM
That is a real shame. You did a good job. Makes no sense to use broken glass.
For me I would have reported her to animal well fare. And see how she get's out of that.

With the attitude she had, she is far from a enchanting person. One for the week end letter box smash, while drifting. Hehehehehehe

Shame you had such a bad time. Hope the next person is better.thumbs2:

mac

sanddigger
08-08-2009, 01:54 AM
You have my support. I deal with condo owners, their tenants, the developers tenants, maintenance, cleaning, and the B of D on a daily basis. I do it all, 315 units all on my own. (Oops now I'm venting) I feel your pain. Trying to run a good business, being diplomatic, fair, and keep a cool head at the same time does make a person crazy. I have even given fish to these people and started tanks for them.?????
You have every right to be angry. Your are very fair and over accommodating.

It's amazing what people will pull to get something for nothing. She's a scammer.

Keep your sanity and always remember you are in the "RIGHT".

lobsternoob
08-08-2009, 05:36 AM
Much thanks Sanddigger, I definitely do not envy you handling 315 units, renters/leasers are much more frustrating than the people I deal with, i have about 30-75 customers at any given time, sometimes a lot less ( I usually spend an hour or less once every week or two with each, and sometimes only on the phone). Unfortunately I teach a lot of my customers out of needing my help. Most of them are really great, listen to me well, and ironically a lot of their tanks are nicer than mine! That's also thanks to a lot of good advice I've gotten here on the AC tho, so credit goes out to a lotta people.

Mac, yes, the broken glass coke bottles just do not make sense to me, they look horrible IMO, and they're only a danger to the fish, and anyone sticking their hand in the tank. Honestly, most of my customers are great, 80% of them are rich older ladies who are more than happy to listen to me, but occasionally there are the real stubborn ones that know their tanks and fish much better than me... Honestly the worst customers are other guys around my age that wanna argue and get hostile when I nicely tell them things just wont work how they want them to.

Fishesses, I have a hard time NOT doing that, in fact Id like to stock the tank with her whole body, but shes a bit big to fit into a 40g, and I do have to try and maintain some bit of being a professional, even though I will be the first to admit I am not a professional, one of the reasons my rates are very low :) But I'm trying, taking classes and learning daily to be on my way to REALLY know what I'm doing. Not to mention keeping and at times breeding fish for over 10 years, but that's nothing compared to some other AC members and real pros.

sanddigger
08-09-2009, 02:13 AM
You are very Welcome.

Business people in the "service Dept'" need to support each other.:19: