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[rookie]

How do I get more oxagen. I put 5 giant dainios in my tank last night and they did fine, this morning I found one dead and then as I'm watching the tank thinking of what went wrong 2 more died right in front of me. I noticed the 2 surviving were swimming at the top and I know faster fish need more air, so I pointed my spraybar up more and almost instantly they started comming back to life but after about 15 mins they are back at the top. I don't have any more bubblers how can I get these danios more air

[rich311k]

What is the ammonia and nitrte levels? If you are chopping up the surface they are getting enough O2.

[robflanker]

get an air pump then

[rookie]

Ok I got some brains and put the last one in the 10g with the bubbler. That quick another died. So far the last one is swimming but not too much I feel bad that I only had like 30 mins to figure all this out and lost fish so quickly. I'm not even sure if it was the o2 levels bc he is not swimming too much in the 10g and that has a hob and bubbler

ps is a airstone and bubbler thing the same I feel like a moron calling it a bubbler

[MonkeyPox]

You need to post your Ammonia, Nitrite, and Nitrate levels at a minimum. Did you recently do a water change and not add dechlorinator?

[Aeonflame]

Was your tank cycled? recently washed?

[robflanker]

Yah id check the ammonia/nitrite/nitrate levels.

[rookie]

Ammonia .25 nitrite 0 I started with seeded media but I think because I only had my angel in the tank when I first set it up all the bacteria starved. So last night Jaysee gave me some more seeded media and I put that in

[MonkeyPox]

Nitrate reading?

If you have some Prime or Amquel, I would add it to the tank. Some zeolite would work as well.

[rookie]

I am using zeolite already I did a wc 2 days ago, I have to go to work so I don't have time to check nitrates but in all my tests so far no nitrates and I did add dechlor with the last wc enough for all 110g. I have been taking your advice on that one monkeypox. I have been running through my stress coat but I think it won't be as bad when I replace it with prime once I run out

[MonkeyPox]

What kind of filter are you using and what bio media?

So what it appears you have going on is an uncycled tank and fish stressing/gasping while attempting to deal with it.

My recommendation is to.

1) perform a large water change- 80% or so. Then prepare to do daily water changes until your ammonia is 0 and you have nitrates
2) add a product that ionizes ammonia, like Prime
3) Replace your zeolite if its been in there a while. Alternatively you could use Purigen
3) add something like Tetra Safe Start or Seachem Stability to help your cycle
4) monitor your water parameters frequently

[rookie]

as always thank you for your wisdom i will start this all as soon as i get home tonight. thumbs2:

[Lady Hobbs]

Did you use dechlorinator in your water?

[Sharon]

He did Hobbs, and for the life of me, I can't suggest anything...

[rookie]

I have thought of everything and talked to a few people and I guess I have to just try and get that tank cycled somehow, I am just shocked that every tactcic works so well in the 10g but nothing ever works the way it should in the big tank

[jaysee]

Sharon - what's a budgie and a linnie?

[bushwhacker]

a budgie is a parakeet, a linnie i have no clue

[Lab_Rat]

Did you check the pH of the tank versus the pH of the water the fish came from? If you have very different water parameters (do you have a water softner, different pH, or hardness?) and you just stuck the fish in the tank it could have been too much of a change for them. If you do have a water softener is it using potassium as an exchange salt instead of sodium? Did you acclimate them? Is the temperature very different than what they were used to? Those are the only possibilities I can come up with if the ammonia and nitrite are low and your angel is fine.

[MCHRKiller]

For the fish you added I wouldnt honestly consider normal water levels to have caused such rapid death. Does your water conditioner treat chloramine? Another option would be that your tap has more chlorine/chloramine than your dechlor can neutralize. IMO that would be the only thing to cause such rapid death in such hardy fish.

[jaysee]

For the fish you added I wouldnt honestly consider normal water levels to have caused such rapid death. Does your water conditioner treat chloramine? Another option would be that your tap has more chlorine/chloramine than your dechlor can neutralize. IMO that would be the only thing to cause such rapid death in such hardy fish.

But wouldn't the angel have been affected as well? I may be wrong, but I think angels are more sensitive than the danios.

[MonkeyPox]

Generally speaking they are, though that doesn't guarantee that one batch of breeding is of better stock then another.

[MCHRKiller]

ooops, missed the part about the angelfish. Yes it would. That leaves acclimation as a factor probably with already weakened fish.

[jaysee]

The fish I gave him were very healthy and robust.

[rookie]

yea the danios were healthy fish. i did aclamate them but i think my ph might just be too low. its like a 6 the lowest on my test kit. i ordered a drip aclamator and it just came in the mail. i figured that mabe i was aclamating them too quick. i would do it over a hr or sometimes a little longer and every now and then throughout the time i would just add about a half of cup or so to what they were in. my gf did the same with the 2 baby bn plecos i got and they didnt last overnight eather. do you think that i need to aclamate them better with the drip thing i just got. or do you think that my ph is too low. this is driving me nuts. but i just got paid and want to get more fish but i dont want to kill them all. and if i was not aclamating them long enough or well enough.

ps the danios looked happy and healthy when i first put them in it was not till overnight that they were unhealthy. would i see an imediate change if i did not aclamate them properly

[Wild Turkey]

Drip acclimation is an excellent idea for all fish imo.

I almost never loose a fish to acclimation or the following few days since I started dripping everything

[MCHRKiller]

Sadly an issue with most common aquarium fish is genetic weakness, they have been so over breed they dont have the resiliance they used to. Im sure they were in good condition but sadly genetic weakness makes them more prone to acclimation related deaths. But yes drip acclimation is the best way.

[rookie]

i hope that is it. that may be be y the angel is ok. he has been in a tank with a 6 ph for his whole life. since my ph is a 6 how long and how fast should i drip.

ps jenn i finally got my florite today but im gonna wait to put it in untill i get my plants because im getting a little algae.

[Wild Turkey]

For the most part longer is better. A lot of my tanks have very low ph, usually 2 hours seems to suffice for me. Some people drip as long as 6 or even 12 hours.

[MonkeyPox]

I really don't think your fish died from pH shock.

[MCHRKiller]

If its a drastic switch up then its very possible even with normally hardy fish, although I have never experienced it with danios...its definatly a likely cause. Honestly the cause of death probably lies on several factors that combined into one scenario. Stress from being caught and moved, different pH values, drastic water differences, and a tank that wasnt fully cycled. Fish loss happens...even the most experienced of hobbyist will occasionally screw up and loose some fish for whatever reason or another. The important thing is to minimize the risk of future loss. I would definatly recommend you start drip acclimating the fish as WT said 2hrs is generally good for common community fish, 3-4hrs for more finiky species. I would get more filtration on that tank as soon as you can to increase circulation and decrease dead spots. The live plants will also definatly help as well :22:

[rookie]

ok i was just reading up on dechlorinators [Only Registered Users Can See Links.] and i noticed that the stress coat that i am using is taking out chlorine but not really helping lock the ammonia wile cycling. so to kill two birds with one stone im going to get some prime tommorow.

another note i am going to order some plants tonight any suggestions on a some cheep plants so i dont spend too much. im going to order them within the hour.

and i think im going to try to get some more fish tommorow and drip them. between the drip and the prime compensating for my tank not being cycled i hope they will make it, and i can get this tank cycled

anyone agree or object.

[MCHRKiller]

If you want a plant that will seriously grow get some Hornwort, its great for sucking up excess nutrients and well it looks pretty cool. Crypts, Crinum, Amazon Swords, Anubias, Java Fern, Rotala rotundifolia, Ludwigia Repens.....are all excellent choices.

[balski911]

I agree hornwort all the way. It looks great.

Unfortunately I never had any luck with it. Maybe it was the quality of my samples, but they all fell apart sooner or later and when it happened all the debris went flying around, however I've seen lots of people saying how hard it is to kill a hornwort and that it lasts for a long time. I'd say go for it.

TBH I just recently found out that my plants are hornwort, thanks to this forum, since we call them differently here.

[jaysee]

Stress Coat + does take care of ammonia. Stress coat (no plus) does not.

[jaysee]

I've never lost a fish to acclimation, even fish I order online, and do not drip them. I put them in a pitcher and add a cup of tank water every 15 minutes. After 3 cups I dump half the water out and pour in 3 more. Then I pour out most the water and in they go. Dripping is far better, I'm sure.

Hey rookie, you want my glowlights? I don't think I want them anymore and I don't want to be the one to kill them!