What is wrong with people and the world!

[Little Embers]

I know this may seem trival after the recent Jakarta Bombing and I also just heard that Walter CronKite passed away which is very sad..but this was on the news tonight and it really makes me wonder what is going on....It also made me sick to my stomach, so outraged and cried when they showed the puppy...he looked so trusting and friendly.

This is what was on the news:

Saturday, July 18, 2009 » 10:15am
A 32-year-old man has been arrested for allegedly hacking the ears and tail off a puppy.
Eight-week-old pup Buckley was found by a mother and her children in Sacred Heart College's grounds at St Albans last Saturday.
After a tip-off from Crime Stoppers, police arrested the St Albans man at his home about 10 last night.
He's been taken to hospital for psychiatric assessment.
I know the man may have psychiatric problems and may need help (it hasn't been determined yet), but really...surely there was something in his behaviour that would have alerted people before this if he did have psychiatric problems...family, friends or somebody.

[Sharon]

Some people are sick...some are just mean...and some are evil. Sometimes it's hard to tell the normal people from the rest....:scry:

[robflanker]

Agreed with Sharon but before we go throwing him under the bus (and im not defending puppy abuse) lets find out if he is really sick. If he is taking meds to control his, lets just say, schizophrenia but he didnt take them that day.

Then that explains things. There are some really really sick people out there, due to no fault of their own, that need our help.

Its sad what happened to the puppy, but lets not get the lynching mob out yet till we here what happened. He should definitely pay for his crime, but i'm not ready for the external damnation just yet

[Lady Hobbs]

Unfortunately when you're nuts you have to ask for help yourself or they won't do much unless you do something off-the-wall. It takes an awful lot for a family member to get another person committed and then a doctors decision but if you can't get Mr Nutty to get in the car and go see the doctor then there's no way to get him the help.

It didn't help in the US when the government couldn't afford to keep the institutions running and just shut them down forcing the mentally insane out into the streets or into jails. So many of our homeless are mentally insane but a goodly amount of them are just plain drug users and alcholics and nuts due to addictions.

[robflanker]

Yah good point about the US government and the mentally ill. In CT, we had something like 4000-6000 beds for mentally ill patients in secure facilities. Now we have less than 500.

Unfort a few years ago, someone escaped from the state's mental hospital and stabbed a little girl to death in the street of the adjoining town. It was tragic, and its sad that it took such a horrific event to highlight the understaffing, underfunding, and poor state of caring for our mentally ill.

[Northernguy]

Sad sad situation!

[Taurus]

Unfortunately when you're nuts you have to ask for help yourself or they won't do much unless you do something off-the-wall. It takes an awful lot for a family member to get another person committed and then a doctors decision but if you can't get Mr Nutty to get in the car and go see the doctor then there's no way to get him the help.

It didn't help in the US when the government couldn't afford to keep the institutions running and just shut them down forcing the mentally insane out into the streets or into jails. So many of our homeless are mentally insane but a goodly amount of them are just plain drug users and alcholics and nuts due to addictions.

Very well said LH. You have to ask for help these days and if you have a mental or behavioral illness that leaves you unaware that you are sick, well it takes an incident like this for it to surface. That's animal abuse and sick no matter if he realized what he was doing or not. But it could also be a big, LOUD cry for help. We understand so little about how the brain works and when it is not working the way it should. And there are very few good Doctors out there that can makes sense of it all and figure out a treatment program that really works. :22:

[Rue]

It's hard to know if someone is genuinely nuts or just mean...

And it doesn't help that the mentally ill still get treated like they're witches...

At least it's better than it used to be, but there's a long way to go...

[Little Embers]

Agreed with Sharon but before we go throwing him under the bus (and im not defending puppy abuse) lets find out if he is really sick. If he is taking meds to control his, lets just say, schizophrenia but he didnt take them that day.

Then that explains things. There are some really really sick people out there, due to no fault of their own, that need our help.

Its sad what happened to the puppy, but lets not get the lynching mob out yet till we here what happened. He should definitely pay for his crime, but i'm not ready for the external damnation just yet
It is a very sad state of affairs indeed that it takes this or any violent action before it is noticed and the mentally ill do deserve much more attention as they are often just thrown to the wayside.

If he is ill, I do have sincere compassion for him even though I detest what he did and may never understand his actions, I do hope he gets the help he deserves. I realise he may be a victim also, but at this moment my sympathies are with the puppy I'm afraid to say!

It is good news that thousands of people are ringing in offering to adopt the puppy.

[Jaster]

Many families don't want to admit there is someone in the family that could be sick and needs help. To them it's a disgrace and embarrassing. So they turn a blind eye and blame everyone else.

[Little Embers]

Many families don't want to admit there is someone in the family that could be sick and needs help. To them it's a disgrace and embarrassing. So they turn a blind eye and blame everyone else.

So TRUE!!! it is just very sad all round that's for sure!!

[MCHRKiller]

There are 2 sides to the de-institutionalization process of the previous decades. MOST people that were institutionalized honestly didnt need to be, familys would have just generally different people commited rather than deal with them. Autistic people, the MR population, gay people, those with now diagnosable PTSD or basic general personality disorders like OCD....were also institutionalized. What should have been done was a complete full psych eval before being released, and also gearing these releasable people toward community based mental health centers instead of just turning them out with little to no understanding of how to receive help would have also been a benefit. Overall...deinstitutionalization is a positive thing in the regard that most people do not need to be in an institutional setting or even a half-way house. But I will not argue that there is a population of severely mentally ill people out there that should not be on the streets and the system now allows them to slip through the cracks.

First off, I would give the guy in question here a tox screen to check for any drugs in his system. Cant treat or even diagnose a disorder unless you have a sober individual. Then if the guy knew what actions he did was wrong....disorder or not he will be prosecuted. But I do agree that families do often times cover up a fellow family members mental illness due to "bringing shame to the family" or whatever. But then you also have people that use their mental illness as a crutch and an excuse to do whatever it is they want to, they must also consider this possibility when dealing with this man.

I dont personally believe that there are evil people in the world, humans nature in itself has never been a very pleasant thing. Some of us can control it, some of us cant...

[Oscar_freak12321]

Very very sad to see incidents like this, nontheless. I guess life just has its bad side as well as its good side, you know?

[Hailey]

You know what I say? Do to them, what they did to the animal(s)!

I think its only fair! You cut off their ears? Your ears should be cut off.

I remember a story about two teens dumping a kitten into a cooking grease container, on a hot sunny day, I thought the only right thing was to have it done to them.

The thing is too, the fircken animals are innocent!!!

[robflanker]

You know what I say? Do to them, what they did to the animal(s)!

I think its only fair! You cut off their ears? Your ears should be cut off.

I remember a story about two teens dumping a kitten into a cooking grease container, on a hot sunny day, I thought the only right thing was to have it done to them.

The thing is too, the fircken animals are innocent!!!

That is a ridic thing to say if the person has a mental illness that isnt treated. Absurd.

I am obviously an animal lover but organizations like PETA or people that make statements just lose me.

Michael Vick (NFL player who had a dog ring) served 23 months iin jail for dog fighting, and Dante Stallworth who hit and killed a man while drunk driving served 24 days. I am sorry but that is the wrong way around. One should serve a significantly longer prison term for a dog fighting ring than killing another human.

The man needs to be punished but cutting their ears off? This isnt the middre ages...

[Jaster]

You know what I say? Do to them, what they did to the animal(s)!

I think its only fair! You cut off their ears? Your ears should be cut off.

I remember a story about two teens dumping a kitten into a cooking grease container, on a hot sunny day, I thought the only right thing was to have it done to them.

The thing is too, the fircken animals are innocent!!!


As much as I may agree for some cases, that can't always hold true. If this poor guy has just simply lost his mind and is no longer in control of himself that isn't a fair treatment for him. He needs help not punishment, even with as twisted of a thing he did. People have to try to look past what he did and try to focus on the why he did it.

Now for some one that knows exactly what they are doing and doing it on purpose just to cause the animal pain for their own enjoyment... ok, string them up and punish the hell out of them. But most of the time thats not the case.

[Sharon]

You'll find that a lot of serial killers were abused as children, and started with small animals. Should we excuse them because of the abuse that they suffered? I'm not sure everyone can be helped. There's no point on speculating as we do not know the facts in this case. However, there is no cure for some of the flaws, for want of a better word, that we find in some people. There are a lot of people that are abused in some way...not all of those turns out to do evil...

[rubberducks]

:(

That's so sad... I have two puppies and I could never imagine anyone ever hurting them. it makes my stomache turn just to think of something so horrific like that.

[Little Embers]

Just a little update on Buckley.....He is such a little sweetie :1luvu:

With his wounds treated, Buckley is recuperating at the Lost Dogs’ Home in North Melbourne. [Only Registered Users Can See Links.]

>> Photos: Buckley in safe hands at the Lost Dogs’ Home ** Warning - images may be upsetting ** [Only Registered Users Can See Links.]

Shelter manager Sue Conroy said the severe case of animal cruelty was one of the worst she had seen in 23 years at the Lost Dogs’ Home.

“I’ve had staff crying,” she said.

“The puppy would have received no anesthetic and would have made a lot of noise.

“He would have been in unspeakable agony”

Ms Conroy said staff had treated his wounds with ointments and administered pain relief and antibiotics.

She said the puppy “was not ready to be adopted just yet”.

“Physically, he’s improving slightly every day,” Ms Conroy said.

“His hearing will not be perfect, but he’s not deaf.

“But mentally, he’s is still traumatised and is hiding from people.”

Anyone with information should phone Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000. [Only Registered Users Can See Links.]

>> Follow Buckley’s progress at the Lost Dogs’ Home website. [Only Registered Users Can See Links.]

[Hailey]

Oh, well of course! duh!

Its just most people so it for fun! its disgusting

[Amazon]

:nutkick: Im the little green guy. The other one is that evil man.

[Little Embers]

For those that may be interested, I found this update on Buckley...dated 10th August, couldn't find anything more recent, but he has been de-sexed, attending puppy pre-school since then and should be going to his new owner this month. The man arrested hasn't been officially charged yet, but apparently is still in psychiatric care.

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[Afk4Jfk]

Huh I have Been asking myself this question for years.

[Little Embers]

Huh I have Been asking myself this question for years.
Sorry LOL, have I missed something.... :sconfused:

EDIT.........Never mind LOL! I get it now..!(blush)

[HorrorShowRot]

You also need to take into consideration there background. Usually when somthing really screwed up happens It causes there brain to have a meltdown. But he still knows what is right and wrong.

[Afk4Jfk]

yea sorry i posted to the title and not the conversation. I have been in a mindset to drop all and move to alaska to get away from it all. I watch the news and its always who killed who for what reason.(chicago)

[Tetris]

There's a million things I could say, but I'll just say this...

I feel sorry for him, and more sorry for the dog.

I don't forgive him or justify his actions, but I feel sorry for him because I know that his life is deprived of something very valuable, regardless of what he's convinced himself of, or how he feels about this.