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terapie
07-02-2009, 03:23 PM
Once upon a time in Romania, there was this young man that woke up in a morning and said "i want to wake up and see a nice aquarium!" so i said to a friend of mine that had one: i`m gonna make myself a aquarium of 15-20 gallons, he said NO you won`t! I`ll give you my 29 gallon with fish and all...so we got going, i got the tank in my home...filled it up and left it running with air stones and such to declorinate the water while the fish were in a bucked with another air stone.All went well, somewhat i wasn`t aware of the need of cycling in a aquarium before i started reading...had some hardy fish tough so they survived:

3 hoplosternum thoracatum,3 corydoras paleatus(albino),1 Epalzeorhynchos frenatum(red finned "shark"),1 danio zebra

In time i got some new cohabitants (angelfish,gourami,tetra neons and such...) and i started to think about a bigger tank cause the fish would eventually get bigger...

So i got me 0.39 inch glass and made a 39.3inch long with 19.7 inch depth and height aquarium with some small pieces of glass at the bottom to reinforce the corner binds, the edges of the glass was sandpapered so i don't cut myself and the glass cleaned with acetone before adding the silicone.

http://s181.photobucket.com/albums/x206/terapie/Almic/th_DSCF6724.jpg (http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x206/terapie/Almic/DSCF6724.jpg)

Those corner thingies are made by me to help with keeping the glass still.
So after a day of letting it dry, i went on to test it...in the bathroom filled it up with water and left it for a few days like that and it's all good.I went on and sticked on the bathroom a blue sticky tape and reinforced the old table on wich the small aquarium was sitting with corner iron(L shaped bar)

http://s181.photobucket.com/albums/x206/terapie/Almic/th_DSCF6745.jpg (http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x206/terapie/Almic/DSCF6745.jpg)

After that the most laborious part took place...washing the stones and preparing the substrate.
I used building stones(the type road repairing crews use... 0.2 inch or so stones) wich i had to wash in the pasta sifter(or how you call it), and it was alot of it, needles to say my back hurt for 3 days from staying bent over the bathtub.
Then the more time-consuming part but alot easier followed, preparing the dirt.I went to nearby woods and got a bag of nice black earth from near a small river, full of organic material(decayed plants and such) and had it soaking in a small tub for 2-3 days after wich i put a tray of the mud in the oven (yes the cooking oven...my mom is on treatment holidays...so i didn`t get smacked in the head with a large spoon) untill i got all the water out of it and made it almost like sand and with the last tray i added some clay to dry it out too, bashed it with a hammer into a fine powder and then sifted the whole lot to remove the pieces of wood,stones and large parts.

Then i added to the aquarium a edge of "sand" (the gravel), a sprinke of sand on the bottom and filled the bottom with a skinny surface of dirt
http://s181.photobucket.com/albums/x206/terapie/Almic/th_DSCF6752.jpg (http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x206/terapie/Almic/DSCF6752.jpg)

http://s181.photobucket.com/albums/x206/terapie/Almic/th_DSCF6757.jpg (http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x206/terapie/Almic/DSCF6757.jpg)

To be continued

terapie
07-02-2009, 03:24 PM
Then i added more gravel on top (like 1.5" in the front and ~3.5" in the back) with a small "terrace" in the left corner...and left my mind fly a little with some white stones and a flower pot

http://s181.photobucket.com/albums/x206/terapie/Almic/th_DSCF6760.jpg (http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x206/terapie/Almic/DSCF6760.jpg)


http://s181.photobucket.com/albums/x206/terapie/Almic/th_DSCF6761.jpg (http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x206/terapie/Almic/DSCF6761.jpg)

Filling the tank was pretty easy since i got me a long hose and added a plate on the bottom with 2 rocks to hold the hose in place

http://s181.photobucket.com/albums/x206/terapie/Almic/th_DSCF6764.jpg (http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x206/terapie/Almic/DSCF6764.jpg)

This is the initial look

http://s181.photobucket.com/albums/x206/terapie/Almic/th_DSCF6765.jpg (http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x206/terapie/Almic/DSCF6765.jpg)

To be continued...again :D

terapie
07-02-2009, 03:32 PM
and in a few days this is how it was looking (2 danio zebras and some plants)

http://s181.photobucket.com/albums/x206/terapie/Almic/th_DSCF6783.jpg (http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x206/terapie/Almic/DSCF6783.jpg)

For now i have a little pest problem(some sort of algae?)

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9890/dscf6796i.th.jpg (http://img268.imageshack.us/i/dscf6796i.jpg/)

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/9347/dscf6794.th.jpg (http://img29.imageshack.us/i/dscf6794.jpg/)

For now i guess this is it...the fish that will populate it are the ones from the smaller one:

5 angelfish, 4 gouramis, 10 tetra neon,6 cory,4 sae,2 botia macracantha, 2 botia yoyo,1 botia zodiac,1 botia sidtimunki,6 microgeophagus altispinosa,2 xipho

Rue
07-02-2009, 03:34 PM
Very nicely done! Luv it!thumbs2:

robflanker
07-02-2009, 03:34 PM
5 angelfish, 4 gouramis, 10 tetra neon,6 cory,4 sae,2 botia macracantha, 2 botia yoyo,1 botia zodiac,1 botia sidtimunki,6 microgeophagus altispinosa,2 xipho

All of that in a 29g? I encourage you to re-evaluate your stocking plans

Rue
07-02-2009, 03:35 PM
I missed something...thought it was a 60g?

Wild Turkey
07-02-2009, 03:36 PM
All of that in a 29g? I encourage you to re-evaluate your stocking plans

I agree, I wouldnt put 5 angels in the 60 either.

Rue, at the moment the 60 only has 2 danios, the op has these fish in another tank.

The algae is most likely diatoms, will go away on its own usually.

The setup looks good! Like mentioned though, you need to re think the stocking plans imo

terapie
07-02-2009, 03:37 PM
All of that in a 29g? I encourage you to re-evaluate your stocking plans

All of those are atm in the 29g will be moved in the large one in a few weeks (when cycling is done)

Atm most of them are small and don`t have any problems(not too crowded) but if i would`ve kept the small tank i would`ve reevaluated the stocking, that`s why i built the large one.

Here's some old pic from the small one:

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x206/terapie/Acvarius/DSCF6417.jpg

Rue
07-02-2009, 03:40 PM
Thank you! Now I get it. Yes...too many fish for a 29g, but okay for 60!

terapie
07-02-2009, 03:41 PM
I agree, I wouldnt put 5 angels in the 60 either.

The algae is most likely diatoms, will go away on its own usually.


Why not? They are small and didn`t make pairs yet...i will keep 2 pairs after they do pair up but still...it's a big tank, well planted i don`t see why they should have problems...altough if they do go at eachother i will take measures and keep only what i find suitable.

Good to know about the algae...they look bad... :19:

robflanker
07-02-2009, 03:43 PM
Thank you! Now I get it. Yes...too many fish for a 29g, but okay for 60!

I disagree. 5 angels in a 60? 4 gouramis? 4 SAE? I think this isn't very well planned out. The angels need renumbering, probably the 4 gouramis too. Don't SAE get ridic aggressive towards everything as they get older?

terapie
07-02-2009, 03:46 PM
I disagree. 5 angels in a 60? 4 gouramis? 4 SAE? I think this isn't very well planned out. The angels need renumbering, probably the 4 gouramis too. Don't SAE get ridic aggressive towards everything as they get older?

Yea i`m more worried about the gouramis not about the angels...
The sae aren't that agressive and they remain pretty small afaik (4 inch?) and usually play with eachother not bothering other fish...tough if someone experienced something else do tell :22:

Rue
07-02-2009, 03:48 PM
Isn't he keeping both tanks? He can move fish around that way.

5 Angels in a 60 g is fine. I think we're overestimating how much room angels need.

terapie
07-02-2009, 03:50 PM
By angelfish i do mean these:

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x206/terapie/Acvarius/DSCF5789.jpg

I know they are somewhat teritorial when spawning...but coooomee oooon it`s 60 gallon :hmm3grin2orange:

(Sorry for the bad quality...it was among the 1st pictures i took with the cam)

terapie
07-02-2009, 03:51 PM
Isn't he keeping both tanks? He can move fish around that way.

5 Angels in a 60 g is fine. I think we're overestimating how much room angels need.

Oh and no...i`m not keeping the small one, it'll go to a friend of mine, any fish that will be extra or something will be donated/traded

robflanker
07-02-2009, 03:51 PM
Isn't he keeping both tanks? He can move fish around that way.

5 Angels in a 60 g is fine. I think we're overestimating how much room angels need.

Each to his own, but even a 29G is too small for 2 angels.

I think SAE get aggressive and only algae when they are young, but that might be CAE. I don't remember clearly.

I wouldn't do gouramis and angels in the same tank.

But like I said, each to his own...

*edit - with the small tank leaving, this stocking makes even less sense, but I hope it works out for you*

jackson17
07-02-2009, 03:52 PM
60 gallon isn't that big. But I would suggest 4 if they pair up. If you get 2 pairs and have a lone angel I feel like it would get beat up.

Wild Turkey
07-02-2009, 03:53 PM
I was referring more to their tendency to be aggressive with several angels in close quarters. I just think you are asking for problems with that many.

To be fair though, 60 gallons isnt "a lot" of room for 5 angels, thats maxed.

Also, If you cycle this tank with 2 danios and then add 5 angels, you are going to have a severe mini-cycle. I would make it 6 danios, and after your finished cycling add one angel worth of bioload every 2 weeks or so

robflanker
07-02-2009, 03:56 PM
WT- whats the story with SAE/CAE as they older? I dont remember

Wild Turkey
07-02-2009, 03:57 PM
WT- whats the story with SAE/CAE as they older? I dont remember

CAE is the bad boy.

terapie
07-02-2009, 03:58 PM
I`m deffinetly not gonna keep an extra angel once they pair up...even if it'll be only 1 pair with the other ones being all males or all females, they will go!

The evil ones are deffinetly Chinesse Algae Eaters (they`re known to do evil stuff)

I dunno why everyone`s so worried about angelfish...they`re the calmest fish i`ve seen, gouramis also calm but they get evil when they grow and not have enough space.

Gourami will probably remain to 1 pair also, i want to give 1 to a friend of mine and the other one won`t make sence on it`s own(with the other 2 being paired)

robflanker
07-02-2009, 03:59 PM
CAE is the bad boy.

Ahh thought so. Still 4 SAE, plus 5 angels, 4 gouramis, and some loaches I think I saw....

Welcome to the AC terapie, but once again, I encourage you to rethink your stocking plans and your cycling plans as highlighted by WT

Wild Turkey
07-02-2009, 04:03 PM
They do tend to be more aggressive when they get older and being to pair off like a lot of fish. 5 until they pair off and then 4 sounds much better to me.

Thats not to say 5 wont co-exist peacefully, it happens.

Introducing the bioload slowly after the cycle is the most important thing atm imo. Since you only have 2 danios in 60 gals and thats nothing as far as bioload.

terapie
07-02-2009, 04:09 PM
Introducing the bioload slowly after the cycle is the most important thing atm imo. Since you only have 2 danios in 60 gals and thats nothing as far as bioload.

I added 1 small sae and a pleco,that i`ll have to find a new home for after i move the fish in there, to help with the ammonia, will get a test and start testing starting next week (the bacteria are probably on their way since i added "seeds" from the small one (stones in a stocking above air bubbles), a sponge filter that ran in the small one for a while and at water change i put the water in the large one from the little one.

Wild Turkey
07-02-2009, 04:12 PM
I added 1 small sae and a pleco,that i`ll have to find a new home for after i move the fish in there, to help with the ammonia, will get a test and start testing starting next week (the bacteria are probably on their way since i added "seeds" from the small one (stones in a stocking above air bubbles), a sponge filter that ran in the small one for a while and at water change i put the water in the large one from the little one.

All sounds good except dont use the water from the small tank, that doesnt do anything really except maybe introduce some baddies and nitrates. The bacteria is in the filter media mostly, if you find you need more, just take a little bit more from the smaller tanks filter.

terapie
07-02-2009, 04:19 PM
All sounds good except dont use the water from the small tank, that doesnt do anything really except maybe introduce some baddies and nitrates. The bacteria is in the filter media mostly, if you find you need more, just take a little bit more from the smaller tanks filter.

I was thinking that it should have at least some ammount of bacteria,maybe a bit of ammonia and the nitrates would help the plants untill the tank starts producing them, didn`t think about "evil" bacteria and other bad microorganisms tough.

Guess i`ll stick to squeezing the sponge from the internal filter of the small tank in the big tank and just be patient(there`s nothing more i can do...), temperature is also at 81 fahrenheit or so.

Cheers for the advice.

About those algae, hope they will go away on their own :ak47:

Wild Turkey
07-02-2009, 04:28 PM
I was thinking that it should have at least some ammount of bacteria,maybe a bit of ammonia and the nitrates would help the plants untill the tank starts producing them, didn`t think about "evil" bacteria and other bad microorganisms tough.

Guess i`ll stick to squeezing the sponge from the internal filter of the small tank in the big tank and just be patient(there`s nothing more i can do...), temperature is also at 81 fahrenheit or so.

Cheers for the advice.

About those algae, hope they will go away on their own :ak47:

They should, diatoms should go away once the silicates have been used up. Brown algae is uber common in tanks that have been setup recently. Give it a month or so

Nope, no bacteria worth writing home about in the water, the bacteria grows on fixed surfaces in the path of water flow. If the tank has been up a while the top layer of your substrate will contain a bit though, you can bag some and seed new tanks that way also.

As for the ammonia, if the other tank is established, the readings for ammonia should be zero, so thats why we dont recommend taking used water. Use it on your house plants or garden they will love it you have my word

You have the right idea squeezing the media contents into the other one. Dont be too rough with it though, or you could cause a mini cycle in the first tank and then you will have some ammonia:hmm3grin2orange:

Good luck! sounds like you are on the right track

terapie
07-03-2009, 09:06 PM
So...finally the cloudiness has somewhat settled in, the bad part is that it settled in both aquariums...i think i got too over-enthusiatic while washing the filter sponge from the small aquarium and i killed too many bacteria :nutkick:
No problem tough,it`ll get back quickly, i`ll just help it with water changes...

So the good news is that it happened in the large tank too, wich i guess it means there`s bacteria in there and it`s all going well...after it clears it should be fine to start adding the more sensitive fish (atm i have 4 hoplosternum, 1 pleco and 1 sae) - do correct me if i`m wrong.

Hopefully a friend of mine will be able to get a box of tests for me on sunday so i can start testing it. :cheerleadersmileygu

You`re more then wellcome to throw in some opinions!

terapie
07-09-2009, 09:08 PM
Hello, a little update to the tank...most of the fish are in, except the angelfish, i needed to give my little neons a head start(to get to know the tank and such...).
I got a philips aquarelle and i love it, can't wait to put the daylight next to it and see how it looks...

Before you start criticising, please take notice it is not finished!
I will add a few more plants (valisneria spirallis to the right to cover filters and hose and such and to add a bit more height to that area, java moss on the plant pot)
I will probably add some little branches after i boil and clean them (i`ll see how they look and decide if to keep`em or not), otherwise it`s about how it`s gonna look, except the plants will get larger and a bit denser probably, i'll also add baby plants from the large ones next to them from time to time.
The sponge filter on the left will be gone once i add the other one in there, need to clean it somehow and get rid of the snails...maybe i`ll keep in the balcony with no water for a few days...i know the bacteria will die, but new ones will develop...however i`m trying to avoid getting snails in this tank too(alltough i`m pretty sure some eggs were on leafs or plants somewhere)

So ... here you go:


http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x206/terapie/Almic/DSCF6879.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x206/terapie/Almic/DSCF6876.jpg


Cheers!

Paw Broon
07-09-2009, 09:40 PM
First time i've seen this thread, great job on the tank and i love how you made it from scratch.:19:

What about a black backround on it?

domjd05
07-09-2009, 11:48 PM
That is a great looking tank!

Harls
07-10-2009, 02:56 AM
looking good!!

terapie
07-10-2009, 06:06 AM
First time i've seen this thread, great job on the tank and i love how you made it from scratch.:19:

What about a black backround on it?

Thanks :)

There's a blue background on it and i love it :)
Thanks for the suggestion tough.

terapie
07-14-2009, 11:16 AM
Hello again, here's a update with picture:

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x206/terapie/Almic/DSCF6964.jpg

There`s a valisneria on the right and a internal filter with a added diy co2 reactor behind it, no co2 added atm cause i don't have a one way valve, will add a diy yeast bomb.