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reybie
02-28-2007, 05:34 AM
This is the only kind I could find at my local Walgreens. The other kind had sufactant. Will this do?

kimmers318
02-28-2007, 10:04 AM
I wouldn't trust it....just the name "lemon fresh" probably means there is something added for odor. I found some at Giant Eagle if that helps you any. You don't want anything but ammonia and water in the bottle.

Fishguy2727
02-28-2007, 01:48 PM
Most pure ammonias have a chemical that might be that sufactant. I think it helps prevent separation. It should be fine. The ammonia, water, and that one other chemical.

Nautilus291
02-28-2007, 01:50 PM
honestly I wouldnt trust it. Even if you have a good chance that it would work. THink about if it didnt work. you would have some big problems with your tank after you used it.

*Sarah*
02-28-2007, 02:24 PM
I wouldn't trust it either. I got one called Old Country, don't know if that helps you or not.

Nautilus291
02-28-2007, 02:28 PM
I got one at walmart it was called ammonia lol. Its clear and ingredients are ammonia and water.

reybie
02-28-2007, 02:35 PM
The one I got also was clear. There were three kinds, 2 lemon fresh ammonia, and the walgreens brand with the surfactant in the ingredients. There were 2 lemon fresh kind, clear and yellowish (lemon)? I flipped the container over a few times trying to find the difference between the yellow and the clear, nothing. They're labeled the same. I'm trying another store later.

Lady Hobbs
02-28-2007, 04:02 PM
I would not use it either. You should use only pure ammonia and usually the cheapest stuff at Dollars Stores is what you need. I would use nothing with additives at all.

Severus
02-28-2007, 04:05 PM
I was successful at WalMart. They have some offbrand that is pure ammonia. i would steer clear of the lemon fresh as well, it might work, but is certainly not worth the risk

reybie
02-28-2007, 04:14 PM
There's a dollar store close by, I will check it out at lunch break. Sigh, so close but so far :)

I'm itching to get this thing on its way but little things are just in the way. I think I need a new impeller for the filter. Way too loud, wear on the impeller already.

Lady Hobbs
02-28-2007, 04:24 PM
Hon, for 89 cents, it just isn't worth taking a chance. But you are sooooo good to be doing the fishless cycle!!

reybie
02-28-2007, 05:28 PM
One temptation for me too is to buy shrimp LOL and use it (peel) as suggested in the fishless cycle posting. Too bad the wife doesn't eat shrimp... yum.

jeffs99dime
02-28-2007, 05:33 PM
One temptation for me too is to buy shrimp LOL and use it (peel) as suggested in the fishless cycle posting. Too bad the wife doesn't eat shrimp... yum.

you can also use fish food to cycle the tank. it will take a little longer this way however

Incredulous_Ed
02-28-2007, 07:20 PM
Someone said here that if you shake the bottle of ammonia and it turns sudsy, don't use it.


I guess now would be an appropriate time for a rhyme. When in doubt, throw it out!

reybie
02-28-2007, 07:36 PM
Ah, I read that one too, I will try it.

Sheesh, I didn't realize finding the right ammonia is the toughest part of this project. Still no luck, all the ones I found are sudsy or lemony :)

Fishguy2727
03-01-2007, 02:11 AM
Anti-chelating agent! That's the other thing that is okay to have in ammonia. Definitely no lemon stuff. I go tmy ammonia from Wal-Mart and it had ammonia, water, and an anti-chelating agent.

Fish food and shrimp are just not as efficient or precise. Definitely go with ammonia.

reybie
03-01-2007, 03:03 AM
Yeah, if I was gonna go fishless might as well do the ammonia way. Back from another trip to the grocery store, nada at Fry's. I keep seeing the surfactant stuff. Walmart in the morning, maybe I'll have more luck there.

reybie
03-01-2007, 09:13 PM
Just an update for other people's reference later, I guess the Ace Hardware brand janitorial strength ammonia works for fishless cycling. After spending some hours reading up on what kind and where to get ammonia I ran into a posting mentioning Ace Hardware. Googled the appropriate keywords and walah! Luck! :D

reybie
03-02-2007, 02:49 PM
Dang, took about 100 drops to get to 5ppm.

Fishguy2727
03-03-2007, 12:36 AM
See how many teaspoons or mL that is. That will make it much easier.

Chrona
03-03-2007, 02:39 AM
A drop is approximately 1/20 of a mL. It's approximate because the drop size depends on the angle you are holding the dropper. 1/20 assumes perfectly vertical, with a slow drop rate so you don't "squirt" out anything.

reybie
03-03-2007, 02:56 AM
Going by the above approximate, it's 5mL for my 100 drops.

reybie
03-04-2007, 09:27 PM
Question guys.

I'm on day 4 of the cycle, today the ammonia reading is at 8ppm, do I still add the same amount of ammonia even if the level is already at 8?

Thanks!

Chrona
03-04-2007, 10:02 PM
Question guys.

I'm on day 4 of the cycle, today the ammonia reading is at 8ppm, do I still add the same amount of ammonia even if the level is already at 8?

Thanks!

You can back off the ammonia for a bit. You want to maintain 5 ppm until you get your nitrite spike, at which time you cut it to 2.5 ppm (note when you get your nitrite spike, your ammonia readings will not be accurate, so just go with how many drops you've been adding before)

reybie
03-04-2007, 10:21 PM
Thanks! I will skip today until I get back down to 5ppm.

reybie
03-06-2007, 02:29 PM
Still waiting... day 6. I put another used media from my tank in to tickle the bacteria LOL. I think I didn't float the last media long enough last time (overnight only).

Faith_at_Large
03-06-2007, 07:34 PM
Where I live, I was able to pick up a bottle of Ammonia in the cleaning section of my local grocery store, Safeway. It was the no-name brand on the bottom shelf and it was next to a similar bottle of the Lemon-Fresh variety, also no-name. The plain Ammonia had only two ingredients, the first was water and the second was Ammonium hydroxide (Ammonia). I am not sure if this is more diluted, or if it is the same as the stuff used by other aquarists for fishless cycling. It is what I will be using in my new ten gallon tank.

Chrona
03-06-2007, 08:06 PM
Still waiting... day 6. I put another used media from my tank in to tickle the bacteria LOL. I think I didn't float the last media long enough last time (overnight only).

Leave it in there for a few days. Better yet, shake it around and see if you can't get some of the bacteria to go into the filter/gravel

Lady Hobbs
03-06-2007, 09:32 PM
No. Try to keep your ammonia reading at or near 5.

Lady Hobbs
03-06-2007, 09:33 PM
Your ammonia is fine. I got mine from Family Dollar store. $1 for one quart.

reybie
03-06-2007, 09:56 PM
I haven't added anymore since it registered at 8. It's at around 7-7.5 right now. Uhm how do I lower it LOL? Add water? :)

reybie
03-09-2007, 10:54 PM
Woohoo! signs of nitrite, it's a little purple now... good change from light blue!

reybie
03-10-2007, 05:24 PM
More progress!

Nitrites almost 5! Ammonia still hanging at 5. Getting there, I added a little dose of ammonia today.

reybie
03-17-2007, 04:29 PM
I'm soooo close I can feel it! Over the last couple of days Nitrite has been hanging at 0.5 ppm, today I'm down to 0.25 ppm! Ammonia has been constantly going down to 0, I have to make 2 doses a day (morning and evening) to get it back up to 2-3. Nitrates are at 10.

Glasstapper
03-17-2007, 05:45 PM
Oh, hell. I think I might have almost made a huge mistake a few weeks ago.

Ok, before I found out that I had to take down all of my tanks, I had been fishless cycling my 29 gallon for some mbunas. I had done cycling and was ready to add fish. Well, I never got the fish and ended up taking down the tank having never had a fish in it.

Here's where I get confused: The ammonia I used is "Clear Ammonia" brand. I found it at Wal-Mart for like 99 cents. Anyway, when I shake it, it doesn't foam or sud up at all. Looking at the ingredients, it says it contains ammonium hydroxide and surfactant.

Would I have killed the fish anyway since the ammonia had surfactant? Also, it didn't bubble up. Should we stop telling people to use the one that doesn't bubble up since apparently surfactants don't cause bubbling?

Now I'm all confused. Is surfactant harmful to fish or not? I think it is.

Fishguy2727
03-18-2007, 12:40 AM
I don't think it is. It will be other things like scents, dyes, and other chemicals.

reybie
03-18-2007, 02:33 AM
:19:

I think I finally did it! Camera phone pics attached (quality sucks).
I'm dosing it with some ammonia for tonight and do water change tomorrow, then stocking I go!