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texasdiver
02-26-2007, 04:21 PM
Thought I would share with you all my wife's weekend experience with setting up an aquarium with the help and supervision of our local shop.

My wife has been wanting to get a much bigger aquarium and nicer fish for our front hallway for some time. However she is a physician with an extremely busy schedule so I've been the one doing the research and educating myself on how to setup and operate a tropical freshwater aquarium. Previously we just had a 10 gallon tank with 2 small goldfish.

Here in Waco Texas I've discovered that we have the usual petsmart, petco, wal-mart and one really good local independent shop that only does fish.
After visiting all the local options it was immediately obvious that the local independent shop was the only place to go for expert advice and service. The woman who runs it is a no-nonsense Texan who cares much more about her fish than making a sale.

In any event, I had done some research and pretty much concluded that a 55 gallon tank kit with matching stand was about right in terms of the next step up without a massive investment. I shared this conclusion with my wife and she agreed. And over the weekend while I was working my wife, without telling me took it on herself to go with the kids to buy everything and get started. So Saturday morning while I'm working she and the kids manage to bring home the tank, stand, and a bunch of other supplies like gravel, rocks, plastic plants, backdrop etc. etc.

Now my wife is a very thorough doctor in her professional life. But in everything else she just plunges in and wings it. Whether it's cooking or buying a car. She can't be bothered to open a cookbook or actually do background research. So she gets the aquarium home, sets it up in the hallway where we were going to put it, then drags a garden hose in from the yard to fill up the tank.

My 8 year old daughter says "Mom, I don't think that's how they told us to do it". My wife says "Oh, this is OK, tapwater is tapwater, it all comes from the same place". My daughter says "I don't think so Mom, I think we should check. So my daughter picks up the phone and calls the pet shop when my wife was not paying attention and the shop owner tells my daughter. "Sweetie, put your mom on the phone" and then the shop owner proceeds to lecture my wife "Now honey, what did we talk about in the shop? huh? What are you trying to do? Kill all my fish? Now dump that water back out and fill it up from your kitchen tap with no garden hose" So my wife spends the next hour siphoning out the newly filled 55 gallon tank into buckets and then fills it back up bucket by bucket from the kitchen tap (I've since rigged up a 25' drinking water quality hose to attach to the inlet valve under the sink so we don't have to do that again). When my wife was finally done refilling the tank my daughter calls the shop back and they walked her through the setup of the filter, heater, and water treatment. and tell her that she can bring in a water sample the next day (sunday) to see if she can buy some fish.

The next afternoon my wife brings her water sample back to the shop expecting to buy some of the big pretty fish on display in the front aquariums. But no, "no pretty fish for you yet" she was told. "These are the only fish you are allowed to buy today" she was told and brought to the back of the store where she was sold a half dozen green barbs. "you need to cycle your tank and bring me weekly water samples and maybe in a month you will earn the right to buy some pretty fish". Of course my wife had totally not read the chapter on cycling in Boruchowitz's "Simple Guide to Freshwater Aquariums" that I had bought for her to read the night before. So she had no idea what this cycling business was all about. But she was really put out by being told what she could and could not buy with her own money. I don't think any store anywhere has EVER told her that before.

So last night my wife was just completely fed up after looking at her big new tank with a tiny little school of green barbs swimming around in it. "That horrible woman is such a Nazi. I can't believe she wont' let me buy more fish" my wife fumes. I'm trying really hard not to laugh and then I remember the "Soup Nazi" episode of Seinfeld and just crack up. "Honey, remember Seinfeld's Soup Nazi? I think you found your very own fish Nazi!" My wife grudgingly admits that it is sort of funny. Then she FINALLY agrees to read about tank cycling while we watch the Academy Awards. Slowly she starts to get it. "Wow, I could have killed all our new fish!" she exclaims. "I thought it was just the chlorine that was the problem" "Uh...yeah" I answer.

Now if I can just find a local car dealership with the same level of professional integrity as our local fish shop I will be all set!

Gelo_USA
02-26-2007, 05:04 PM
LOL thanks for sharing tht with us
its good tht u guys did everything the right way since the start...
it took me 5 months to come look for information and when I heard about the cylcle about a month ago I was like... WHATT!!!!! i knw how ur wife felt LOL
I killed 4 fish for not knowing it......
and ur lucky for heaving a fish store like tht close to u cause the ones I have near my house SUCK I tried to explain to one worker at a local petstore about cycling and eh was like "UHH U DNT NEED IT... JUST ADD THIS TO UR TANK EVERYTIME U ADD FISH" and gave me some TANK BUDDIES thing and I asked him how often does he do water changes on his tanks at home... he said "ONLY WHEN THE BOTTOM STARTS GETTING DIRTY ABOUT 2 to 3 MONTHS" and at petsmart or petco I dnt even bother cause they REALLY dont knw.... at least the ones near my house....

Chrona
02-26-2007, 05:11 PM
Wow, that is truly inspiring. I wish all fish store owners were like that.

texasdiver
02-26-2007, 05:30 PM
Yeah. Any store that refuses to take my wife's Platinum Card is a good one in my book! :hmm3grin2orange:

Cichlid_Man
02-26-2007, 05:33 PM
You are blessed to have an LFS like that!

My first experience was when my LFS told me..."Here, take these two nice Oscars...they will go nicely in your new 10 gallon tank..."

HA!

Glasstapper
02-26-2007, 05:37 PM
That store owner is absolutely the best! I think several of us are considered to be fish nazis. I know I got called one because I just drove 6 hours to San Diego to give a lady my fish because I didn't want "just anyone" to have them.

I think you guys will probably skip out on lots of newbie mistakes because of that lady. Congratulations on finding such an awesome place. They are very hard to come by.

*Sarah*
02-26-2007, 05:59 PM
I have to agree, with everyone, it's GREAT that you have a LFS with the knowledge and integrity to care about who her fish go to. She will be your best asset (and this site of course ;) during your fish keeping journey.

Lady Hobbs
02-26-2007, 06:06 PM
Your story was really a great read and I enjoyed the whole story. But, what I don't understand is why couldn't you use the garden hose method as long as de-chlorinator was added to the water? That one part threw me.

If your store has BioSpira, get it. This will speed the cycle up much faster. It's kept refrigeratored and not on the shelves in pet shops.

You don't really think this will be your last tank now, do you? LOL In 6 months you will be checking out the 180 gallons!!

Incredulous_Ed
02-26-2007, 07:15 PM
That's pretty good that you have an LFS like that. I also read "the simple guide to freshwater aquariums." A great book!

Lauren B.
02-26-2007, 07:35 PM
I really enjoyed your story. Not so much the humor and your wife's lesson learned (although that was good too), but the quality and conciseness of your writing. I know this is not a grammar and literary forum, but if more people organized their writings as you do, I'd find myself reading a lot more posts! :thumb:

Gelo_USA
02-26-2007, 07:52 PM
Yeah. Any store that refuses to take my wife's Platinum Card is a good one in my book! :hmm3grin2orange:

LOL LUCKY UU...... hahahahha

Severus
02-26-2007, 09:40 PM
I wish i could find a LFS around me that had that much dedication. They might ask what tank i am going to put a fish in, but they would never go to that extent. Good luck with your tank!

Drumachine09
02-26-2007, 10:14 PM
I like those no-nonesense kinda people. The get to the point, and cut out all the crap. That is what makes a good fish store owner.



Hehehe.....fish nazi!

texasdiver
02-26-2007, 10:22 PM
Your story was really a great read and I enjoyed the whole story. But, what I don't understand is why couldn't you use the garden hose method as long as de-chlorinator was added to the water? That one part threw me.

If your store has BioSpira, get it. This will speed the cycle up much faster. It's kept refrigeratored and not on the shelves in pet shops.

You don't really think this will be your last tank now, do you? LOL In 6 months you will be checking out the 180 gallons!!

Heck if I know about the garden hose. I assume it is either (1) because the regular ones not designed for potable water leach some type of petrochemicals and that is why the water coming out of them tastes funny, or (2) a wet hose laying around on your lawn or garden in the sun might have God know's what kind of bacterial cultures inside it.

In any event I took one look at my wife's bucket brigade system and said no way. So I went to Home Depot and bought a 25' food grade camper fill hose for about $10 and then bought an adaptor to connect it to a 3/8" sink supply line. So when I now want to add water to the tank I unscrew the cold water supply line in the nearest bath and connect my fill hose to it. Don't know if that was overkill but it sure fills the tank fast and only cost $13.

We get our water from a small rural water company and I've been testing it with some pool test strips that I have on hand and turns out there isn't any chlorine in it anyway, but the pH is about 7.8 to 8.0. The shop says that's fine, don't worry about it. Howevever we do have a reverse osmosis water filtration system in the kitchen for drinking water and I'm wondering if I should be using that to fill the tank. I could rig up some sort of adaptor to run a line from the filter to the fish tank but I'd probably have to run it all day and night to fill up the tank as the reverse osmosis filter is pretty slow.

180 gallon tank? Heh. Actually I've already been thinking about what I would want to do to create a perfect aquarium location in the next house we get. We're probably going to be putting our current house up for sale and looking for something larger either to build or buy. It occurs to me that there is a whole list of facilities that one might want to have installed if one was designing the perfect aquarium location from the ground up. First of all, a good water supply tap and drain right at the aquarium. And probably a built-in UPS to keep things running in the event of a power outage. I'm sure there are all sorts of built-in features that would be nice if one was building a house.

Rue
02-26-2007, 10:35 PM
...oh to have the fish room of your dreams!!! I saw one in an old fish book...the decor was from the 70s, but I loved the concept...

The tank was built into the wall of a room of it's own (for wonderful, easy, 'hide-the-mess' access and showed into the foyer of this modern (at the time) style house...

Be careful with R/O water...it's fine to add to the tank once the tank is established, but because it's pure, it has no minerals, electrolytes, etc., so is not recommended for establishing a tank...

...we live on an acerage and have one for our drinking water too...it would take our unit forever to make enough water for even water changes...never mind the increased expense of upkeep of the system if I was running it that much...

Lady Hobbs
02-26-2007, 11:24 PM
Guess the wife didn't know about Lee or Pythons empty and fill hoses that go directly from tank to sink, either.

Looks like this. [Only Registered Users Can See Links.]

Well, one end looks like this. Other end attaches to kitchen sink. You suck up the stuff on the bottom and how much water you want to go and it dumps right in the kitchen sink. Turn a needle valve thingie (girls talk) and it fills tank right back up with new water.

Your outfit sounds about as good tho. Much stuff can be bought a whole lot cheaper online than in the stores. There are tons of sites with good stuff and always cheaper. This python is about $25 online and WalMart has it for $32.

Just make sure she sets that tank up where she intends to keep it unless she wants to move it 5 times as I have mine. I have to keep making room for another. LOL

cocoa_pleco
02-27-2007, 03:13 AM
That's pretty good that you have an LFS like that. I also read "the simple guide to freshwater aquariums." A great book!


I read that and aquariums for dummies.

I dont know why aquariums for dummies says discus are brackish, arent they freshwater since theyre from the amazon?:1:

texasdiver
02-27-2007, 04:27 AM
Guess the wife didn't know about Lee or Pythons empty and fill hoses that go directly from tank to sink, either.

Looks like this. [Only Registered Users Can See Links.]

Well, one end looks like this. Other end attaches to kitchen sink. You suck up the stuff on the bottom and how much water you want to go and it dumps right in the kitchen sink. Turn a needle valve thingie (girls talk) and it fills tank right back up with new water.

I saw that Python thing at petsmart but I'm not sure it will work on my sink because I have the fancy euro-style faucet in which the entire faucet can pull out on a hose and the head is a switchable spray or shower. There is no place to screw in that type of attachment. That is why I tapped the sink supply valve rather than the faucet.

For siphoning and cleaning I can just run a garden house out the front door and down the steps into the flowerbed so no buckets involved for cleaning. Not quite as elegant but essentially the same thing. I'm trying to remember my physics and whether or not a larger drop on a siphon creates more suction than a smaller drop. Either way it should work fine.

Chrona
02-27-2007, 04:29 AM
Larger drop = more suction

texasdiver
02-27-2007, 04:41 AM
I dont know why aquariums for dummies says discus are brackish, arent they freshwater since theyre from the amazon?:1:

I don't know the fish you are talking about but in my real life I am a marine fisheries biologist and spent most of my career working for the national marine fisheries service in Alaska before following my wife's career to Texas. That actually meant I managed commercial fisheries for species like cod, pollock, halibut, and crab rather than anything to do with aquariums. I have done a huge amount of scuba diving and looking at pretty fish though. In any event, I did an online search of some fisheries journals for amazon and brackish and came up with the following:

The Amazon basin is the largest hydrographic basin of the world, with a size of 5.8 million of km2, being 3.9 million in Brazil. With 6.500 km of extension, the Amazon is responsible by the discharge of 20% of the total fresh water in the oceans. The Amazon estuary is constituted by the encounter of Amazon and Para rivers, which creates a huge zone of brackish water sizing 1200 nautical miles. This diversity is characterized by the strong seasonality of the region with changes in the salinity along the year.

By the beginning of the year (rainy season), a great amount of fresh water flows through the estuary and fresh water species dominate. During the second semester (dry season) marine species dominate in the estuary. Fishery (and target species) is hence driven by this seasonality.

Abbeys_Mom
02-27-2007, 01:50 PM
It's so good to hear that there are still people in the industry that care so much. I have considered getting a job at the lfs, but I don't think they would take kindly to someone who refused to sell fish :ezpi_wink1: . With them, it's all about profit.

Chrona
02-27-2007, 02:46 PM
It's so good to hear that there are still people in the industry that care so much. I have considered getting a job at the lfs, but I don't think they would take kindly to someone who refused to sell fish :ezpi_wink1: . With them, it's all about profit.

If they didn't know about it for a while, I'm sure the happy customers would come back and comment to the boss about how helpful you were. If everyone were brave enough to stick their necks out like this, then we wouldn't have any problems with LFS, and all the customers would be much happier.

muffin
02-27-2007, 04:20 PM
Wow. Your story reminds me of the first time I went into my LFS. I went and got a 10 gallon tank and set it up with all the essentials and let it run for a little over a day and then went to go fully stock my tank. We went to the LFS and picked out which fish we wanted to add to our tank, with no knowledge of compatibility, then found the nearest employee.

He asked if this was a new tank. Then he told us that all the fish that we chose would die within a couple days. He then recommended that we just get a few zebra danios and throw them in. I thought it was a really good idea because I didn't eant to be constantly stocking more fish due to killing them off. And if the hardy danios didn't make it, we were only out 18 cents a fish.

Went back after a week to get more fish and the same guy sent us home and told us to come back in a couple weeks when the tank had finished cycling for sure.. during that time we found this site and have had success since then..

There are store out there with knowledgable employees. Sometimes it just takes a little time to find them.

Incredulous_Ed
02-27-2007, 06:38 PM
Wow. Your story reminds me of the first time I went into my LFS. I went and got a 10 gallon tank and set it up with all the essentials and let it run for a little over a day and then went to go fully stock my tank. We went to the LFS and picked out which fish we wanted to add to our tank, with no knowledge of compatibility, then found the nearest employee.

He asked if this was a new tank. Then he told us that all the fish that we chose would die within a couple days. He then recommended that we just get a few zebra danios and throw them in. I thought it was a really good idea because I didn't eant to be constantly stocking more fish due to killing them off. And if the hardy danios didn't make it, we were only out 18 cents a fish.
What?! I paid 1.30 for each of my danios!

Gelo_USA
02-27-2007, 11:27 PM
18 cents WOW I think my local petshop sells them for 2 bucks
they sell black tetras for 6 bucks its just crazy