Bizarre story in the news!

[Northernguy]

I can't beleive this story!His own daughter!SAD
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I hope he doesn't get solitary confinement!

[Jaster]

and he went to the cops because paynemt wasn't made?! lmao

stupid people...

I want to know what happens to the guy that bought her! but we wont see that part in the news...

[Heliwyr]

This used to happen, though. 200+ years ago. My how times have changed.

[MCHRKiller]

We must also look at the ethical stance and customs of his culture, sure I think he should rot in jail and drop the soap a few good times but thats just my opinion. But really the guy who bought her should be the one to receive the harshest punishment. Do tell me if it was a fat white guy from VA could be a friend of mine....

[Algenco]

This used to happen, though. 200+ years ago. My how times have changed.

still happens in many countries today

[Sharon]

One of my daughter's friends at university was from India. Her parents were choosing her partner, and she was not permitted to date...although she did. I remarked to my daughter that I wouldn't want the responsibility of choosing her partner!

[lobsternoob]

This happened just a few miles from where I live, for days it was the only thing you heard people around here talking about. Believe it or not part of the deal he was mad about not getting was rumored to be some gatorade and a case of beer.

[Wild Turkey]

I remember hearing about this in the news when it happened. Glad the guy is in jail but 1 year is not enough for sure. I heard it was something like a few thousands dollars and some odd number of cases of beer and other grocery items.

As for the guy who bought her, well he really didnt buy her, so who knows what his intentions were. He could have been trying to give the girl a break, or had worse plans for her than the father. Of course, it wasnt he who went to the police, and that speaks volumes

[Northernguy]

In other countries I can see it happening often but not in the States or Canada! Thats sick!

[Mvjnz]

Ummm... you'd also not expect this to happen in Europe or Australia, or most Asian countries. The only place you'd expect this kind of view of women as property is in middle eastern countries, and possibly some African and South American countries, and also in tribal communities.

[Northernguy]

lol Sorry Mvjnz! I didn't mean to say that all other countries do that.
I have never been out of North America!:11:

[Red]

Martinez went to police to get his daughter back because payment wasn't made.

What a idiot! Why would you go to police and say you sold your daugther and didnt get the payment. Which means he didnt think it was wrong, I would interested to here what culture he was from.

[Heliwyr]

In other countries I can see it happening often but not in the States or Canada! Thats sick!

Is it sick? How is something that is acceptable in one country suddenly not acceptable in another? By that I mean, how is it acceptable, for you, to think about this happening in say a third world country...but suddenly when you think about it happening in a first world country, it's awful? Why is it not universally awful?

I ask this out of curiosity. I want to know your reasoning. :)

What a idiot! Why would you go to police and say you sold your daugther and didnt get the payment. Which means he didnt think it was wrong, I would interested to here what culture he was from.

Well, we don't know the man's background. So it is highly probable he grew up in a culture where going to the police when a dowry deal was broken would be precisely the thing you should do. Sort of like getting a lawyer when a contract is broken. He might have been hoping to sue them for a breach of contract, though somehow, I doubt the man made his deal anything that could be legally binding considering it's illegal to do that in the US.



For the record, I think he did something incredibly foolish, but I cannot judge him merely because his ethical standing is different from mine. He's not a bad person, just someone possibly very desperate who did something very stupid.

[Northernguy]

There are arranged mairrages happening all over the world.It is more excepted in some countries then others.I never said I agree with it.
I don't like the idea of forcing someone to spend the rest of their lives with someone they most likely can't stand.
It should not be accepted.Especially at the ages they give the children away.
Its even rape!

[Wild Turkey]

Personally, i dont feel selling people is right. Yes wrong, I. E not right. I dont make that distinction often but IMO its one of those human rights. Rights any human should have just for existing. People should not be able to sell one another, however that doesnt stop it from happening quite a bit.

If you wanted to get technical about it most places that still do this type of thing generally do away with it as they industrialize. A great example is india. As we are seeing india industrialize and flourish, we see less and less of the the old traditions taking hold over such basic human rights. So the answer is, industrialize and socialize.

[Gemini]

Personally, i dont feel selling people is right. Yes wrong, I. E not right. I dont make that distinction often but IMO its one of those human rights. Rights any human should have just for existing. People should not be able to sell one another, however that doesnt stop it from happening quite a bit.
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I agree - not to be sold should be a basic human right. I dont' care if it's ok in their country - go back there if that's what you want to do.

[Z Fish Man]

Yeah I agree this is very sickening but I remember reading about this when the story first came out. The man was from somewhere in latin America where selling a daughter into marriage was custom. The fact that he went to the police means he thought he didn't do anything wrong it was just his way of life. I think it just goes to show what some parts of the world are still like. As someone else said in many cultures parents arrange which isn't a whole lot different than this. Not saying it should be allowed but that there is still a lot of change that needs to happen.

[Glub]

The mother does have a say in the arrangement as well, and the families try to make the arrangement with a family they know they can trust, keep contact with, and who can provide for their daughter. They don't just sell her off to the highest bidder.

The dowry is meant to show that the family can provide for her. Everything paid in the dowry is meant to show what the family she's going into is capable of providing. Food is usually/always involved in the deals.

It has nothing to do with selling off your daughter, it's about making sure your daughter ends up with a man in a good family that provides well, and that the family strongly feels they can trust the family she's going into.

Arranged marriage works very well where it's accepted and where the kids are brought up to accept it, and continues to work well in Canada and the US where it's still pretty common between foreign families who've moved here. They just have to do the arrangements behind it illegally, which makes it more risky for them, and their daughter. Otherwise, arranged marriages have a very good rate of success and many families and their children just prefer to take the complication out of marriage and get it done this way so they know they end up marrying someone who at least meets the essential criteria.

My cultural background has nothing to do with arranged marriages, I just know that they aren't all bad and that there's a lot about them that shouldn't be overlooked when judging families for arranging their kids' marriages such as their very low rates of domestic abuse and divorce.

But yes, LET HIM ROT, jail, soap bar, ignorance, HA HA!... Rabble rabble...

[Jaster]

Having been in the Navy and traveled all over the world I've seen some (what I consider) weird things... I had to learn to respect other countries customs (even if I didn't agree with them) but he isn't in another country... he's in this one. Our customs don't allow selling of a 14 yearold girls. I'm sure if I went to another country and broke one of their rules/customs/laws I would have to be held accountable... just because what I would have done was acceptable here in the States I doubt would hold a lot of weight in their court system.
Even an arranged marriage I could kind of see and understand but I really don't think thats what was happening here.
The sad part is that they probably won't get in that much trouble... just maybe do some time and get deported. They'll just make the deal again later...

I can't even wrap my head around how that conversation would even go... "Hey I'll give you a bunch of beer and some cash for your daughter..." "Throw in some meat and you have a deal!"
Friggin sickos....

I just can't imagine doing that to your own daughter. Trading her for beer and meat...??? if some 30+ year old (well any age actually) even asked me about that with my little girl... I would probably kill him where he stood.