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ko4000
03-29-2009, 02:32 AM
Can you let me know the scientific names of these fish? I know it may be difficult but can you determine sex? Thanks guys and gals.

If you need some more pics at different angles or zoomed at specific body parts I can try to get that for you!

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/ko3000/100_0895.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/ko3000/100_0896.jpg

ko4000
03-29-2009, 02:34 AM
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/ko3000/100_0890.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/ko3000/100_0899.jpg
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ko4000
03-29-2009, 02:34 AM
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/ko3000/100_0891.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/ko3000/100_0900.jpg

ko4000
03-29-2009, 02:35 AM
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/ko3000/100_0889.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/ko3000/100_0892.jpg
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kaybee
03-29-2009, 06:21 AM
1. Pseudotropheus demasoni (colors/pattern washed out by camera flash)

2. Metriaclima estherae (is it missing some scales or is that the pattern it has?)

3. Pseudotropheus socolofi

4. Metriaclima callainos

The m. estherae is a male.

The others are either females or of immature males (based on shape of dorsal/anal fin tips and proportional size of the pectoral fins).

ko4000
03-29-2009, 05:27 PM
Thanks, I really appreciate it.thumbs2:

The pic of the Metriaclima estherae is not doing it justice. It is a beautiful fish and the parts that look like missing scales are actually light purple markings that look awesome in person. For some reason they show up like flesh wounds on camera. (blush)

kaybee
03-29-2009, 05:59 PM
With the additional info the m. estherae may be some type of blotched m. estherae morph.

If these are all the mbuna's you currently have in the tank, the probability is high that it red zebra (morph) will establish itself as the tank dominant, if it hasn't already.

ko4000
03-29-2009, 06:07 PM
With the additional info the m. estherae may be some type of blotched m. estherae morph.

If these are all the mbuna's you currently have in the tank, the probability is high that it red zebra (morph) will establish itself as the tank dominant, if it hasn't already.
Yup, he has already claimed his area. He is picking on the Demasoni b/c he is the smallest of the bunch.

Can you recommend some Mbuna that would be compatible with these tankmates? Maybe a group or multple species to take some of the aggresion away from the Demasoni?

kaybee
03-29-2009, 06:43 PM
I'd recommend maintaining red zebras in a 1 male per 2-3 female gender ratio, so adding female red zebras would work. By and large, most mbuna's are compatible with each other (when the nature of their aggression is understood, for example adding 3 female red zebras would greatly defuse the situation, adding another male and one female may make matters worse).

As far as the demasoni goes, they're is actually a very aggressive mbuna in their own right, however much of their aggression is conspecific in nature (adding additional demasoni's isn't recommended unless you get 10+ more of them).

ko4000
03-29-2009, 08:18 PM
OK so I am definetly going to add 2 female red zebras.

I am also interested in these fish. Do you think they would work with my current stock? If so, how many of each can I add, M:F ratio? Thanks

Cynotilapia sp. 'Lion' Lion's Cove
Iodotropheus sprengerae Rusty'
Melanochromis cyaneorhabdos Maingano

kaybee
03-29-2009, 09:27 PM
All of those species will work. Most (but not all) mbuna's do well in a 1 male/2+ female gender ratio. When gender isn't apparent acquiring excess specimens may be required (trading in or selling excess males as their genders become apparent).

How large is your tank? 55-75gal minimum for these type of fish. Ideally it is best to add the most aggressive species last. When that isn't possible add new mbuna's in groups of 4+. Adding one or two at a time (excluding the two female red zebras) may result in aggression geared at the new fish.

ko4000
03-29-2009, 09:50 PM
I have these four in a 90 gallon. What is my stocking limit with this tank? I know Mbuna keepers typically "overstock" to help control aggression.

kaybee
03-29-2009, 10:09 PM
You don't necessarily have to overstock, but understocking a mbuna tank can result in hyperdominant activity by the alpha fish and result in casualties or stressed out fish (understocking grants an aggressor enhanced capability to single out a particular tank mate for harassment or worse).

In a 90gal I suppose 15-20 mbuna's would be a decent quantity.

Overstocking would be anything more than two dozen. Overstocking 'controls' aggression (if one can call it that) by saturating an aggressor with 'targets'. A territorial aggressive fish may be as aggressive as it would be in smaller numbers, but with so many fish in the tank it will be hard pressed to single out a particular fish, which has the effect of diluting or spreading out the aggression. Over time, the aggressor may cease hyperdominant activity and limit its aggression to its chunk of territory.

With overstocking the bioload of the tank is much greater so tank hubandry has to be maintained.

You could stock with a minimum of 15 and increase the population of the tank with their offspring (these are very prolific fish) or you could bolster the population to 20 or so right off the bat (adding the the group in increments).

ko4000
03-30-2009, 12:22 AM
Understood.

I just added those four fish to my 90 gallon yesterday and I also moved one of my seeded Emperor 400's from my 55 to my 90 to help get the Fluval FX5 seeded faster. i am experiencing a tiny NitrIte spike today so I will hold off on adding anything until that drops to 0.

Got any tips on where to buy African Cichlids online. Preferably already sexed?

ko4000
03-30-2009, 08:19 PM
OK, I will go the route of filling out my existing stock with a proper 1M:3F ratio.

Maybe a silly question but here it goes. I was told the male Metriaclima Estherae I have is a blotched M. estherae or maybe even a hybrid of Ps lombardoi X blotched M. estherae. What specie females should I get for him? Do they have to be OB M. Estherae? Can they be regular Metriaclima estherae (Red Zebra)?? Can they be a mix of both, and would I want to do that? Like I said, maybe a silly question but I want to get the advice of the more experienced keepers before I go placing orders. Thanks!

Dixie
04-29-2009, 11:03 PM
Kaybee was right. The all white fish is P. Socolofi but it's albino. I love the albino socolofi.