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dmagerl
11-23-2008, 10:24 PM
Its been 40 years since I last had an aquarium as a kid. Back then, all we did was fill a tank with gravel and water and dump fish in it. Didnt worry about cycling, and everything always managed to turn out OK.

But I'm having some problems with my first tank after a 40 year hiatus.

Its a 29g tank that someone gave me. It's probable been 5 years since it last had water in it, and came with a Whisper Power Filter.

Water is from a well, run through a softener.
GH is 0
KH is 16 dh
ph is 8 (thats as high as the color chart goes)

My problem is that the water is cloudy, the cloudiness developed roughly 2 days after set up. Its now 2 weeks into the cycle and the cloudiness persists. The filter isnt removing it. If I add a flocculant, the water briefly clears for a day, then turns cloudy again and the filter collects a bunch of brown scum.

I'm using Flourite substrate that I washed really well in small quantities until the water ran clear.

There are 6 zebras in the tank and I am just now beginning to see some Ammonia and Nitrite, but no Nitrate yet.
Ammonia is .2 mg/l
Nitrite is .8 mg/l
Nitrate is 0

From reading this forum (it's great, thanks!) I have 4 possible causes to choose from:
1. The Flourite is naturally cloudy
2. Bacterial bloom
3. Ammonia clouds water
4. Something in the well water is reacting with something else

For #1, I'd have thought it would eventally settle out.
For #3, since the cloudiness began shortly after set up, I just dont see it.

That leaves #2 or #4. So I guess I'm asking, will this eventually go away? It sure doesnt seem like it will. Right now I'm letting nature take its course and not adding chemicals (other than the flocculant that one time) and am keeping my fingers crossed.

Is there anything else I should be doing? PS: the LFS is willing to rent me a sub-micron filter but the experience with the flocculant tells me it'll be a waste of time, it'll come right back.

-dickm

Fishalicious
11-23-2008, 10:29 PM
A cloudy tank can be normal right after set up... just normal new tank syndrome...it can disapear within a few weeks or may take a month but will go on it's own. The more good bacteria in the tank and filter the clearer the water get's in my experience.

Don't worry about the no nitrates at the moment but the Nitrites are worrying ...anything above 0.4 can kill fish and cause serious damage and pain to them. I am wondering if your LFS or someone you know with a tank would be willing to give you some bacteria from their filter?

This would help the cycle, fish as well as the cloudiness.

korith
11-23-2008, 10:30 PM
I'd probably avoid adding chems, and just let time work it out.

Northernguy
11-23-2008, 10:48 PM
Welcome to the Fabulous AC!
Ammonia does cloud water as far as I know.
No water clearing additives should be used when water changes will do the same thing.When was the last water change and how much do you change?
There is info about cycling in the How To section.There is also some great reading in the free E-book on the left!
Fishalicious had a great idea about the borrowed bacteria!
Do you know anyone with a cycled tank?

Sasquatch
11-23-2008, 11:01 PM
I'm gonna chime in and agree with everyone ... it's the tank cycling. The cloudiness is the bacteria in the water, so leave it be. Adding a floculant will only slow things down.

Since ammonia and nitrites have showed up, I'd start doing 10% water changes daily to keep them down. It will prolong the cycle somewhat, but no use stressing out the fish and leaving them open to diseases.

As for the pH, try to find a test kit that goes higher. I know that Hagen makes a kit that goes up to 8.6. Also, check your tap water ... that is likely why the pH is so high. Depending on the fish you want after the cycle is done, you might need to do something about the pH.

Keep us posted and good luck ... and welcome back to the hobby.

dmagerl
11-24-2008, 03:20 PM
Thanks for all the advice. I've started doing a daily water change until the Nitrite comes down. This morning's test showed 0 Ammonia, but still no Nitrates. Nitrites were still at .8.

The high pH I figure is due to the high KH. It's softened well water. The softener removes the calcium, manganese and iron, but leaves all the carbonates behind. This makes for some very alkaline water.

I have an RO unit for drinking water. Just for grins I just tested it. It shows a KH of 7dH instead of the 16dH straight from the softener. Hmmm, I guess its not working all that well :-( I could start changing the water out with the RO water if it'll help any.

Anyway, the water's still cloudy and I've resigned myself to just waiting it out. Oh, yeah, forgot. I dont know anyone with a tank so I cant "seed" mine with bacteria. Wish I could though.

-dickm

Northernguy
11-24-2008, 03:38 PM
Keep up with the water changes.Trites are nasty.
Ro water is used by many around here.Maybe a few will chime in and tell you about it!

dmagerl
12-03-2008, 03:08 PM
Just wanted to provide an update.

After 4 weeks, the tank finally cycled. Ammonia & Nitrites are at 0.

Amazingly, a day after that happened, the water turned crystal clear. I mean, I've been staring at cloudy water for the last 4 weeks so this is something phenomenal.

I added 2 cory's and 2 gouramis and now seem to be going through a mini-cycle.

Now, if only I can get rid of the brown algae. Everyone I talk too says that too will disappear.

-dickm

Northernguy
12-03-2008, 03:13 PM
If you now have fish in the tank you will have to keep your perameters with w/cs.When I have any peaks in my perameters ,I do up to 50% daily to get things right again.Your fish will appreciate it as well.Once a week after that no matter how well things read!

Sasquatch
12-03-2008, 03:42 PM
Just wanted to provide an update.

After 4 weeks, the tank finally cycled. Ammonia & Nitrites are at 0.

Amazingly, a day after that happened, the water turned crystal clear. I mean, I've been staring at cloudy water for the last 4 weeks so this is something phenomenal.

I added 2 cory's and 2 gouramis and now seem to be going through a mini-cycle.

Now, if only I can get rid of the brown algae. Everyone I talk too says that too will disappear.

-dickm

Congrats. It's normal to have small increases in ammonia and nitrites after adding new fish. It'll take a few days for the bacteria to catch up, but it shouldn't be a problem.

Keep us posted.

bushwhacker
12-03-2008, 07:30 PM
sounds like your doin great, its normal for a tank to stay cloudy like that, when its newly set up. 50% water changes once a week should keep ya good