EBJD help

[KrytterKrys]

im going to be gettin a EBJD on tuesday, and im super excited about it!:19: but ive been finding alot of info on the net saying how they keep dying on people even though their parameters and such are perfectly fine, they just stop eating, hide, lose color and die...perhaps a recesive gene defect? prone to infections/parasites? has anyone here had problems keeping EBJDs? or on a better note, been sucessful in keeping them?

[Ty13]

My LFS has a pair in one of their show tanks that have been there for almost 3 years with no troubles what-so-ever and have even produced fry for them to sell (normally colored JD's though). They are a beautiful fish. Good Luck with your new friend.:19:

[KrytterKrys]

thanx for the imput! i never thought i would have any probs but then i was reading all these peoples stories how they all died the same way in the same time frame...maybe they were somehow all from the same bad breeder...im not sure if i wanna try breeding any yet though for now ill stick with one, specially since ya dont know what your gettin with the fry...i had a regular JD a while back and he was the most interesting fish with lots of personality! i cant wait to get my new fishy friend:hmm3grin2orange:

[cocoa_pleco]

the member nautilus here had bad luck with them and they kept dying, not sure if its the same case as rams where theyre packed iwth horomones and stuff. regular JD can take alot of punishment, so im curious if its horomones

[Ty13]

i cant wait to get my new fishy friend

Are you getting a juv or an adult? I remember that one of the batchs of fry from the two EBJD at the LFS looked like they were going to be like their parents but as they grew they're blueish color faded and they turned out to be regular JD's. 90% of them had extremely vibrant coloration though. Either way they turn out beautiful.thumbs2:

[KrytterKrys]

im gettin a juvie, i like to watch them grow up...plus there cheaper:hmm3grin2orange: well i guess even if it fades a little that'll be okay i still love them as a species :)

[nano cichlids]

the second post here says theres a EBJD pair that produces Regular JD this is not true because if EBJD do breed together they have 100% super weak EBJD... i keep 4 EBJD right now and Ive had no problems im currently breeding them as well a long process that im dedicated to, you mentioned they were juveniles, which is going to be harder for you but with there prices i dont blame ya.. make sure nothing is aggressive in the tank the stress will kill it, make sure you clean the tank weekly, make sure you feed high protein foods

[KrytterKrys]

thanx for the info nano ill keep this updated..do you have any pics of yours? right now i just plan on it being him/her and a pleco..i thought about a pair but i dont want any fights goin on if they hate each other..do you have any tankmate suggestions for them? or would it be better by itself? when i had my old JD it was just him and the pleco, and the occasional feeder guppy but of course they didnt last long:18:

[nano cichlids]

thanx for the info nano ill keep this updated..do you have any pics of yours? right now i just plan on it being him/her and a pleco..i thought about a pair but i dont want any fights goin on if they hate each other..do you have any tankmate suggestions for them? or would it be better by itself? when i had my old JD it was just him and the pleco, and the occasional feeder guppy but of course they didnt last long:18:


tanks mates....... anything un-aggressive really they don't get aggressive most are male so your chances of a pair are slim and even if you did find a pair its useless to breed them because the fry are so weak and un-valuable..... i do have photos here these are mine

[KrytterKrys]

yeah, i heard they werent as aggressive as normal jacks.. im just gonna stay with one though..i dont really know what id do with the babies, im prob gonna need to find homes for my jellybean babies soon enough anyway...yours are beautiful! they dont even bother the molly at all? thats cool..

[nano cichlids]

nope actually the molly schools with them... and even if you bought two at the LFS they will be 99% male

just go with one.... you will love him!!!!!!

[KrytterKrys]

yay! one more day!!!:19: :19:

[nano cichlids]

cant wait to see yours any specific features your looking for? such as long fins or beak face?

[KrytterKrys]

no not really... i do like the long fins though but as long as he's healthy im happy:hmm3grin2orange:


.....Thanx:41: :ezpi_wink1:

[nano cichlids]

yeah same here im more into long fins and nonbeak faced Jacks.....

Your Welcome :)

[KrytterKrys]

i not really sure what mine will be, my lfs had to special order him for me..im trading 3 of my jellybeans for him..which is fine cause i have a least 20 babies:hmm3grin2orange:

[nano cichlids]

so are they in yet???? im actualy excited lol

[johnpeezy]

thanx for the info nano ill keep this updated..do you have any pics of yours? right now i just plan on it being him/her and a pleco..i thought about a pair but i dont want any fights goin on if they hate each other..do you have any tankmate suggestions for them? or would it be better by itself? when i had my old JD it was just him and the pleco, and the occasional feeder guppy but of course they didnt last long:18:


I have has an EBJD for about 6 months now, I'm in the process of raising him from a juvenile to and adult.

When I got him he was about 2 inches in length, since that time he has about doubled in length. Over the months I have kept him with a varitey of fish: two plecos, 6 australian rainbow fish (the ugly ones), a few dwarf rainbow fish, and a female jack dempsey of a significantly smaller size(mine is male).

In the process of replacing the ugly rainbow fish for the pretty rainbow fish I noticed some really odd behavior with my EBJD, after I had nobody in the tank except for the plecos, he wouldn't eat always hid and would not greet me when I went to his tank like normal. As soon as I added more "dither" fish again his behavior went back to normal. I have read alot of posts about people EBJD's dying on them as well, usualy the owner had them in solitary confinement or with a pleco. I would definitly recomend some top swimmers for the little guy.

[KrytterKrys]

aint he purty? :hmm3grin2orange: hes about 1.5" long...im gonna grow him out a lil in my 29g before moving him into his own bigger tank, alls good for now! he seems happy and healthy :)
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[troy]

I've never seen a fish as bright blue as that. Cool fish!

[Kayla-Bug]

No doubt about it, that fish is gorgeous. How big do they get?

[Red]

the size of a normal jack..

[xximanoobxx]

I heard when they are full-grown, they tend to be more shy and they get really scared at stuff and like won't eat... Is that true?

[Red]

they get shy but i had one about 6-7 and then soldit to my lfs for money and its still thereabout 9 inchs and eating fine? does anybody have info?

[xximanoobxx]

I saw it on a Jack Dempsey forum thing... I forgot which one

[KrytterKrys]

i think when their by themselves they get very skittish but as long as theres some kind of ditherfish theyre fine...

[nano cichlids]

well actually they stay smaller than normal Jacks, only hitting a 7in max on record prove me if im worng.... they arent always shy my two juves are very social and love to swim around the tank. yours are very nice krys i do see that he will have a beak face one day soon... mine look alot like him at the moment....

[KrytterKrys]

thats okay i love him! he very happy right now swimming with the platies, mollies and such :) he's very active and has not been shy at all, just checkin everything out....

[nano cichlids]

same here my two juves were in a 5 gallon Q.tank and i just place them in a 55 with a larger EBJD and a tiger barb they seem lost with all the space they have.

[KrytterKrys]

for now...until they get bigger!:hmm3grin2orange:

[nano cichlids]

for now...until they get bigger!:hmm3grin2orange:

remember EBJD grow twice as slow as Regular Jacks

[KrytterKrys]

i know that! lol... just messin with ya!:wink2:

[nano cichlids]

i know that! lol... just messin with ya!:wink2:


im trying to pair my largest with my female JD, he i think my ebjd might be a female *gasp

[KrytterKrys]

o no! ya wont get babies that way! lol

[nano cichlids]

well at least i have plenty of females i can breed him with.

so hows the new guy doing?

[KrytterKrys]

Great! he really funny...when i go over to the tank at first he'll dart to the ack like OH NO SHE'S GONNA EAT ME! and almost as quickly come back and look at ya like hey how ya doin? are ya gonna feed me or what?:hmm3grin2orange:

[nano cichlids]

my 2 babys have two totally different personality's one only come out to each the other plays with my finger and follows me around the room

[KrytterKrys]

lol.....he's curious and inquisitive, and yet still a lil wary of what goes on around him

[johnpeezy]

remember EBJD grow twice as slow as Regular Jacks

Are you sure about that?

I have research lots of diffent thing on the EBJD's

and its all sorts of mixed up, the most recent stuff I have read has stsed alot of the things people tell one another if incorrect.

Like EBJD's staying smaller and weaker then normal jack's.

I guess there was somesort of DNA sampeling done and according to the test results. there was NO genetic diffrence between an EBJD and a normal jack.

Alot of the old myths have seemed to be disproven like breeding two EBJD's together and such (its been done with 100% EBJD fry).

Do some digging you'll find it.
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[nano cichlids]

there is not genetic difference between a JD and a EBJD from personal experience and what a lot of others will tell you Jack Dempseys grow faster almost twice as fast as the Electric blue genotype. its not sure why this happens but something to do with cross breeding.

[johnpeezy]

there is not genetic difference between a JD and a EBJD from personal experience and what a lot of others will tell you Jack Dempseys grow faster almost twice as fast as the Electric blue genotype. its not sure why this happens but something to do with cross breeding.

I think cross breeding is a term that you are using incorrectly, if an EBJD was a cross bred fish there would be a genitic difference. A cross breed is a species of fish is bred with another speciecs of fish to produce a fish with traits of both.

Did you mean inter-breeding?

[nano cichlids]

im sorry its called in-breeding. but the fact that people don't understand if you line breed (using a child as a mate) your next generation of fry are going to unusually weak. this is why EBJD now grow slower then normal Jack Dempsey. theres not a lot of information as where the first pair came from, but i found a large article about that topic on All Things Dempsey i believe.