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tanks4thememories
08-22-2008, 03:17 AM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3016/2764699346_8534d5eb9f_b.jpg

I brought this guy at the LFS and he was described as a common pleco, Yet his tail fin has a little extension on it and he isnt shy in the day time, also he loves both meat and veggies. Anyone can tell me for positive exactly which pleco this is?

angelcakes
08-22-2008, 07:47 AM
a common pleco...........attachment below has an extended tail but the pleco is bigger

Dave66
08-22-2008, 07:54 AM
I'd have to see a better picture to tell you exactly what it is, tanks. Juvenile commons don't have fin extensions.

Dave

dean30bb
08-22-2008, 08:49 AM
looks to me like a common pleco aswell

xximanoobxx
08-22-2008, 08:53 AM
yep...
common pleco

tanks4thememories
08-22-2008, 09:03 AM
Thanx I just wanted to be sure.:hmm3grin2orange: The tail extension was throwing me off...sooo many plecos out there sheesh...lol

toddnbecka
08-22-2008, 04:58 PM
There are more than one species of "common" pleco; Liposarcus pardalis (formerly Pterygoplichthys multiradiatus), Liposarcus multiradiatus, Hypostomus punctatus (formerly Hypostomus plecostomus), Liposarcus anisitsi (more gray in color, the snow king pleco), and other Hypostomus, Pterygoplichthys, and Liposarcus.
That's the problem with "common" names for fish...

tanks4thememories
08-22-2008, 05:43 PM
There are more than one species of "common" pleco; Liposarcus pardalis (formerly Pterygoplichthys multiradiatus), Liposarcus multiradiatus, Hypostomus punctatus (formerly Hypostomus plecostomus), Liposarcus anisitsi (more gray in color, the snow king pleco), and other Hypostomus, Pterygoplichthys, and Liposarcus.
That's the problem with "common" names for fish...

Ok well back to the orig question then what is my pleco...lol

angelcakes
08-22-2008, 05:46 PM
Hypostomus plecostomus a common pleco also known as Suckerfish, Suckermouth Catfish,

tanks4thememories
08-22-2008, 06:03 PM
I'd have to see a better picture to tell you exactly what it is, tanks. Juvenile commons don't have fin extensions.

Dave

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3195/2786773917_754da572e1.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2061/2786773285_c5ae70b19f.jpg


Thanx in advance everyone :19:

Gayle
09-04-2008, 03:19 AM
This guy looks like my mine. Charlie is what I call him. LOL I tried to figure out exactly what he was, but really there are sooo many I gave up. The whole "common" thing ends up being lots of different ones. I can tell you about mine, he is very calm, about around 7 inches long, he does actually appear to eat blood worms and flake food every great once in a while. He is pretty friendly, but watch out when cleaning the tank, he is covered in little spikes, so even brushing past to see what you are doing can scratch a little. Charlie loves to hang upside down on the bottom of the filter, or suck on the glass. :) I do not know if that helps you any, but thats pretty much all I know. BTW Charlie lived in a small fish bowl for a few weeks with nothing but an air bubble thing and some gravel (before I got him), so they seem pretty hearty.

tanks4thememories
09-04-2008, 03:21 AM
This guy looks like my mine. Charlie is what I call him. LOL I tried to figure out exactly what he was, but really there are sooo many I gave up. The whole "common" thing ends up being lots of different ones. I can tell you about mine, he is very calm, about around 7 inches long, he does actually appear to eat blood worms and flake food every great once in a while. He is pretty friendly, but watch out when cleaning the tank, he is covered in little spikes, so even brushing past to see what you are doing can scratch a little. Charlie loves to hang upside down on the bottom of the filter, or suck on the glass. :) I do not know if that helps you any, but thats pretty much all I know. BTW Charlie lived in a small fish bowl for a few weeks with nothing but an air bubble thing and some gravel (before I got him), so they seem pretty hearty.


Thank you. I'm trying to find out exactly what it is though...lol

tanks4thememories
09-04-2008, 03:30 AM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3015/2827090398_a9b15c0fa6.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3135/2826252603_b1f11c88e6_m.jpg

If you know the scientific name for this fish please tell me...lol

Gayle
09-04-2008, 11:57 AM
Sure. LOL I hope you do find out, and if I happen to I will let you know. Have a great day everyone.

tanks4thememories
09-04-2008, 12:44 PM
Sure. LOL I hope you do find out, and if I happen to I will let you know. Have a great day everyone.

Have any pics of yours?

Gayle
09-04-2008, 04:43 PM
Have any pics of yours?

I made a myspace page for my fish, all of my pictures seem to be too big to post here. Please go and take a look, tell me if my Charlie is the same as yours. And BTW it is only fish on that page :) the addy is http://www.myspace.com/peaceforcharlie

abaigael04
09-04-2008, 04:54 PM
Perhaps you should try over at pleco fanatics... I also had a similar " I must know EXACTLY what he is" moment a while back for my common and eventually found out (after a post on PC and TWO posts on pleco fanatics due to me being incompetent with a camera) that he is a pterygoplichthys disjunctivus! :hmm3grin2orange: He is getting quite handsome in his/her age, too. Try to get a belly shot - that is how mine was distinguished from the other one I originally thought he was... He is slowly getting those back fin extensions (he is about 5" long, bought a year ago at about an inch). Maybe he is a P. gibbiceps? Really I'm no good at this, that is just a guess... if you DO find out what he is... let us know! I don't know why but I have a mild obsession with what "common" plecos really are! hahaha! He is a cutie... my "common" is also very laid back (so far) and has just started to show interest in sinking shrimp pellets, but veggies are still #1!

tanks4thememories
09-04-2008, 10:53 PM
Perhaps you should try over at pleco fanatics... I also had a similar " I must know EXACTLY what he is" moment a while back for my common and eventually found out (after a post on PC and TWO posts on pleco fanatics due to me being incompetent with a camera) that he is a pterygoplichthys disjunctivus! :hmm3grin2orange: He is getting quite handsome in his/her age, too. Try to get a belly shot - that is how mine was distinguished from the other one I originally thought he was... He is slowly getting those back fin extensions (he is about 5" long, bought a year ago at about an inch). Maybe he is a P. gibbiceps? Really I'm no good at this, that is just a guess... if you DO find out what he is... let us know! I don't know why but I have a mild obsession with what "common" plecos really are! hahaha! He is a cutie... my "common" is also very laid back (so far) and has just started to show interest in sinking shrimp pellets, but veggies are still #1!

Mines is greedy for everything and never stops eating day and night..algae, meat, veggies, plants he is insatiable. Besides my obsession (Like yours..lol) to know what is in my tanks I am curious because of his appetite which one he is...lol

abaigael04
09-04-2008, 11:42 PM
Mine is also a bit piggy. Hescrounges for algae a night but if I drop in wafers or anything on a fork at ANY time he is right on it!!

Gayle
09-05-2008, 03:25 AM
Mines is greedy for everything and never stops eating day and night..algae, meat, veggies, plants he is insatiable. Besides my obsession (Like yours..lol) to know what is in my tanks I am curious because of his appetite which one he is...lol

I posted there, still waiting for someone to say what they think mine is. Good idea.

Gayle
09-05-2008, 07:01 PM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3016/2764699346_8534d5eb9f_b.jpg

I brought this guy at the LFS and he was described as a common pleco, Yet his tail fin has a little extension on it and he isnt shy in the day time, also he loves both meat and veggies. Anyone can tell me for positive exactly which pleco this is?

Hey I went to that Pleco Fanatics forum and posted pics of Charlie. They told me he was a Common Pleco- Pterygoplichthys Paradalis. Yours looks alot like mine does, so maybe yours is the same. On the page it also said that it is confused with another one often but you can tell by the pattern on the tummy, spots are Paradalis. :)

abaigael04
09-06-2008, 01:56 PM
Yes and vermiculated pattern (mine) is disjunctivus... I thought he was pardalis originally.... but he is not... you caould maybe search up my user name and find some of my posts to see mines belly ... I have 2 common Id posts... one of them has where they finally ID'd him...

abaigael04
09-06-2008, 02:00 PM
Plecy's belly:
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj119/abaigael04/plecybelly.jpg

This is an older picture (HOW hard are they to photo!?!?) of his belly...

tanks4thememories
09-26-2008, 02:41 AM
Perhaps you should try over at pleco fanatics... I also had a similar " I must know EXACTLY what he is" moment a while back for my common and eventually found out (after a post on PC and TWO posts on pleco fanatics due to me being incompetent with a camera) that he is a pterygoplichthys disjunctivus! :hmm3grin2orange: He is getting quite handsome in his/her age, too. Try to get a belly shot - that is how mine was distinguished from the other one I originally thought he was... He is slowly getting those back fin extensions (he is about 5" long, bought a year ago at about an inch). Maybe he is a P. gibbiceps? Really I'm no good at this, that is just a guess... if you DO find out what he is... let us know! I don't know why but I have a mild obsession with what "common" plecos really are! hahaha! He is a cutie... my "common" is also very laid back (so far) and has just started to show interest in sinking shrimp pellets, but veggies are still #1!

Thanx for the awesome advice abaigael04 it took me a long time to follow your advice because my pleco would not cooperate with a decent belly shot....lol

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3132/2882548103_d24a913b2b_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3194/2886793734_eb93c55f6a_o.jpg

I submitted the above pics to 3 forums and here is the results:
Between Monster, Planet catfish & Pleco Fanatics all presented with the same set of pics and the same time frame for ID:

A total of 7 people responded with votes as follows:

1 - P. gibbiceps
1 - P. disjunctivus
5 - P. pardalis

I guess "Blackie" is P. Pardalis after all...:)

Thanx for all the help everyone!!!!:19:

Red
09-26-2008, 02:45 AM
to me it looks like a hifinned regular pleco
lol

tanks4thememories
09-26-2008, 02:57 AM
to me it looks like a hifinned regular pleco
lol

That would be a Gib. I thought so too. and so did 1 other person out of the 7 that replied...lol

dean30bb
09-26-2008, 04:58 AM
thats exactly the same as my common hi fined pleco so i think it mite be that he is exact markings and all

tanks4thememories
09-26-2008, 05:11 AM
thats exactly the same as my common hi fined pleco so i think it mite be that he is exact markings and all

You have pics? How was yours Ided?

dean30bb
09-26-2008, 05:18 AM
heres some pics, thats wat he was at the shop
10919

10920

10921

dean30bb
09-26-2008, 05:21 AM
his is a video of him if u wana better look
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=pbW04XzHS6s

tanks4thememories
09-26-2008, 05:24 AM
heres some pics, thats wat he was at the shop
10919

10920

10921


Any pics from top side or side view? also How did you get him Ided?

dean30bb
09-26-2008, 05:26 AM
yeah go to this video of him and u can see the top of him
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=pbW04XzHS6s

the LFS had him as a hi fin common pleco

abaigael04
09-26-2008, 11:02 AM
hmmm.Wonder why he is P. Pardalis? His belly looks a lot like mine. Although not exactly. Glad you got an ID! The commons are so difficult to!

Gayle
09-26-2008, 01:03 PM
OMG This is wayyyyyyyyyy confusing. :( LOL

tanks4thememories
09-26-2008, 01:17 PM
hmmm.Wonder why he is P. Pardalis? His belly looks a lot like mine. Although not exactly. Glad you got an ID! The commons are so difficult to!

Have a pic?

Gayle
09-26-2008, 02:47 PM
http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2006f/zt01109p068.pdf

This is pretty helpful :)

tanks4thememories
09-26-2008, 03:06 PM
http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2006f/zt01109p068.pdf

This is pretty helpful :)


Thanx!! do you have one for Hi Fins?

Gayle
09-26-2008, 03:47 PM
Thanx!! do you have one for Hi Fins?


If you mean the gibb, no not really. They only briefly mention it. Here is the link anyhow.

http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2008/f/zt01822p076.pdf


I do not really understand "hi finned regular pleco", the gibbiceps looks close to what we have, but most of the hi finned I saw, do not? I will keep looking though. I love research. The hi finned also do not appear to have as many rays.

tanks4thememories
09-26-2008, 04:19 PM
If you mean the gibb, no not really. They only briefly mention it. Here is the link anyhow.

http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2008/f/zt01822p076.pdf


I do not really understand "hi finned regular pleco", the gibbiceps looks close to what we have, but most of the hi finned I saw, do not? I will keep looking though. I love research. The hi finned also do not appear to have as many rays.

I like research also..:hmm3grin2orange:
Mostly because I hate un answered questions...lol but ends up with the same result (Lots of research):hmm3grin2orange:

BTW the more I research this fish, the more I become of the opinion that it is some kind of commercial hybrid of Pard & hi finned regular pleco- Gibbi. What do you think?

Gayle
09-26-2008, 04:45 PM
Well, here goes nothing....
the darling common pleco has about a zillion different names....
as far as the gibb goes, (clears throat) pterygoplichthys gibbiceps was formerly, and still is by some, known as glyptoperichthys gibbiceps. So I reasearched that a little, whole new thing pops up..........pterygoplichthys multiradiatus, also known by some as, ancistrus multiradiatus. Now the ancistrus I believe has been more or less narrowed down to be more bristlenose. So scratch that one.

Look at these: http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S1679-62252007000300006&lng=pt&nrm=iso

http://mit.edu/lxs/www/cichlids/pleco.html

http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=1967

I do think you are right about it being some sort hybrid. We need a lab to get to the bottom of this I think. LOL

Gayle
09-26-2008, 04:51 PM
You know too, the pard and the disj look so much alike, and are both from the same river.................. Could have been a natural hybrid too.

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/10714

Gayle
09-26-2008, 05:12 PM
One more and I am done for the moment. Need a nap. LOL

Page 17

http://www.gisp.org/publications/newsletter/GISPnewsletter6.pdf

Odd huh? A cute little pet to us, such a big problem to others. Kinda like that snakefish.

tanks4thememories
09-26-2008, 05:14 PM
One more and I am done for the moment. Need a nap. LOL

Page 17

http://www.gisp.org/publications/newsletter/GISPnewsletter6.pdf

Odd huh? A cute little pet to us, such a big problem to others. Kinda like that snakefish.

Thanx for all the great info...:19:
Happy napping...:hmm3grin2orange:

tanks4thememories
09-26-2008, 08:44 PM
Well, here goes nothing....
the darling common pleco has about a zillion different names....
as far as the gibb goes, (clears throat) pterygoplichthys gibbiceps was formerly, and still is by some, known as glyptoperichthys gibbiceps. So I reasearched that a little, whole new thing pops up..........pterygoplichthys multiradiatus, also known by some as, ancistrus multiradiatus. Now the ancistrus I believe has been more or less narrowed down to be more bristlenose. So scratch that one.

Look at these: http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S1679-62252007000300006&lng=pt&nrm=iso

http://mit.edu/lxs/www/cichlids/pleco.html

http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=1967

I do think you are right about it being some sort hybrid. We need a lab to get to the bottom of this I think. LOL

Darn plecos are like pokemon there is so many of them you can't possibly keep up...lol

Jacolene
09-27-2008, 08:48 AM
You might wanna check out www.plecofanatics.com I found most of my plec answers in there:18:

Gayle
09-27-2008, 03:42 PM
Darn plecos are like pokemon there is so many of them you can't possibly keep up...lol


I know, and it appears that often one pleco will have like 3 or so names. It is way confusing. LOL, the deeper you research the worse it gets too.

TY We did try plecofanatics.... I think that we both would just like to know a little better for ourselves. :)

tanks4thememories
09-27-2008, 11:04 PM
I know, and it appears that often one pleco will have like 3 or so names. It is way confusing. LOL, the deeper you research the worse it gets too.

TY We did try plecofanatics.... I think that we both would just like to know a little better for ourselves. :)

:hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange: