Flowerhorns

[ladyoutlaw50]

Can anyone tell me about flowerhorn cichlids??

[Ryuu]

I dont personaly keep them but, ive seen them and they are absolutly gorgeos, I think they have some agression issues however and get pretty large. ill do soem reasearch


ps how is your friends fish doing


WHOOOOOOOOOOO my 1100 post lol

[ladyoutlaw50]

I dont personaly keep them but, ive seen them and they are absolutly gorgeos, I think they have some agression issues however and get pretty large. ill do soem reasearch


ps how is your friends fish doing

She just called me a few minutes ago -- her johanni now has his color back and is hanging around the bottom of the tank now -- she said every now and then he appears to be breathing fast -- he is eating tho -- no one is bothering him at all

I can't figure it out can you

[Ryuu]

heres an intresting site

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[Ryuu]

no odd, maybe it wasnt swim bladder at all....did she let him be for the night or add the stuff if she did I hope thats what helped him, if she didnt , im glad it may have been alittle to stressfull if he didnt have swim bladder

[ladyoutlaw50]

she said she didn't add anything -- just kinda waiting and seeing what happens.

I have rescued the flowerhorns -- they were going to be flushed -- I seem to be doing alot of fish rescueing lately. they are very small at this point and may not even be what she said -- I will take a photo when the batteries charge and put on here to be sure.
I can't let fish be flushed for no reason!! It isn't fair -- so for now they are in my 45 gallon and will stay there for the time being.

[sandy_n]

Here's a couple of sites you might want to check out:


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[Ryuu]

Yeah I know how you feel, Im thinking of making my 10 gallon a rescue tank of fish that arnt looking too good at the lfs

[ladyoutlaw50]

thank you both for the websites!! Very informative!! I am getting a large tank in the fall -- so may hold on to them (2 of them) and transfer them to the larger tank in the fall

[cocoa_pleco]

theyre beautiful fish, i would say best size tank for them is a 90g, minimum 75g

[Ryuu]

Awesome what size?

[ladyoutlaw50]

I am saving for the 90 -- that is my plan anyway!!

[Ryuu]

Awesome! Eventually I want to get a 250

[Fishguy2727]

Large, aggressive, hyrbid cichlids. Many varieties of greatly varying value, up to thousands of dollars. Supposedly the cross is part trimac, other species unknown, may be crossed with various species.

[donvichu]

Awesome! Eventually I want to get a 250

I would vote for that,the looks of a 250G after setting it up is really awesome :19: :19: :19:

[ladyoutlaw50]

I would love a 250, but just don't have the room. I think the largest I could do is a 90

[Ocellatus]

I wouldn't waste a 90g for a fish that should be kept alone, except thats a valuable one.

[Fishguy2727]

Some of these big cichlids need more space than we ever provide. My jaguar cichlid had his own 75 (just 4" shorter than a 90) and did very well in it (second best one I have ever seen, even in photo). In the wild their territories are much larger than the tanks we provide. I saw a pair of oscars in the manatee exhibit in SeaWorld Orlando and their territory was probably about 10' in diameter. I think most people think of them as not needing that much space because we can keep four of them alive in a 55 for a period of time. But when they actually get the proper amount of space they do much better.

[Ocellatus]

Yes absolutely bigger tank is better, I didn't mean they should be kept in smaller tanks, I just meant I prefer to keep some compatible varieties in a 90g instead of a single fish like a normal FH.

[Fishguy2727]

I think you might be surprised though at how rewarding keeping a single specimen and letting it do so much better can be. Boring at first, but very rewarding later on. I would suggest a group while small, they school when small anyways, and keeping the best one to grow out in the tank.

[Ocellatus]

Thats a good idea I should try it later! but now I'm gonna sell my Flower horn :hmm3grin2orange: because my tanks are over stocked now and I can't keep a fish that doesn't share his tank with others.

I would like to keep a valuable FH by his own but I can't afford it and its preferred tank now. a 4 incher of them costs about 180$ here, they have a great hump at that size and a great potential of getting colors.

[Lady Hobbs]

Why is one hybrid revered as so great when another hybrid scoffed at (blood parrots.) Both of these species have parents that are "unknown" altho several parents suggested.....not confirmed. Flowerhorns are thought to have come from a goldfish as one of the parents.

It's the fact that these fish are hybrids that make them costly and because they are so revered by the Asians to be "lucky fish." The parrots are considered as "deformed" due to their mouths but the Flowerhorns huge lump on their head is also an adnormal deformatory. The larger the lump, the more costly they are.

I've never been able to understand why the owners of Flowerhorns will scoff at those who have parrots when both are a hybrid. To me, it's either love a hybrid or hate a hybrid but don't pick and chose.

[cocoa_pleco]

i never knew they were so pricey, a LFS by me sold fullgrowns for $40

[ladyoutlaw50]

Why is one hybrid revered as so great when another hybrid scoffed at (blood parrots.) Both of these species have parents that are "unknown" altho several parents suggested.....not confirmed. Flowerhorns are thought to have come from a goldfish as one of the parents.

It's the fact that these fish are hybrids that make them costly and because they are so revered by the Asians to be "lucky fish." The parrots are considered as "deformed" due to their mouths but the Flowerhorns huge lump on their head is also an adnormal deformatory. The larger the lump, the more costly they are.

I've never been able to understand why the owners of Flowerhorns will scoff at those who have parrots when both are a hybrid. To me, it's either love a hybrid or hate a hybrid but don't pick and chose.


:19: Very Well said!! I do agree 100%:19:

[Fishguy2727]

My personal feelings on hybrids are they are fine as long as there are no negative consequences (deformities, loss of hardiness, health problems, etc.).

Flowerhorns are not part goldfish, have not heard that one before. I have always heard they are part trimac and part unknown (unknown possibly varies).

Parrots are part severum and part red devil, except the secondary hybrid 'jellybean parrot' which is half normal parrot and half convict.

I think hybrids are much better than something like a deformed goldfish that can't swim or maintian buoyancy. But because the goldfish are not hybrids many think they are better.

[Lady Hobbs]

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The goldfish part I have read before and it's also listed in our site above.

[Lady Hobbs]

This article says a blood parrot may be one of the parents!

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Truth be known, I don't think anyone knows.

[Fishguy2727]

The article from here even states that is an unreasonable hypothesis though. And it says genes, that could be a couple genes for coloration added just like what was done with glofish.

I don't really see the parrot in them. Trimac is obvious when you see some of the more 'normal' flowerhorns, the cheapo ones. You could almost pass them off as each other.

They are healthy so I don't see an issue. Parrots I have a harder time agreeing with, too deformed.

Check out the thread I started in the general fish forum on hybrids. I wrote it the other day and this made me go proofread and post it.

[Lady Hobbs]

I see no parrot in them either. Nor goldfish.

The parrot definately has that kissing mouth but contary to several articles I've read from non-parrot people, they really do have no problem eating. Mine slug down flakes, floating pellets, sinking pellets, cichlid crisps, blood worms, etc, all with zero problems. However, cucumbers, zucchini, etc, is out for them.

[Fishguy2727]

Most don't have issues, but I have seen a number that can't close their mouth, have to press pellets against something to eat them, or just have to wait until food is practically dissolved to eat it. I have watched a few that had absolutely no movement in the mouth at all.

[Ocellatus]

i never knew they were so pricey, a LFS by me sold fullgrowns for $40
actually there are many different types of them, here I can find a low grade fullgrown for $40 and a high grade for +$1000 !