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Halelorf
05-18-2008, 01:48 AM
Moving the last goldfish from my 55 gallon tank into my pond tomorrow morning then it's off to the LFS. Going to get a pair of german blue rams and 2 bristle nose plecos for the algae. I'll get some pics once I get them in and settled.

Incredulous_Ed
05-18-2008, 03:04 AM
Sounds good. Maake sure you get quality rams. DOnt get any bred in asia, as they are low quality.

LosC
05-18-2008, 07:16 AM
Go for younger ones that are smaller and have there coloring less developed.

Halelorf
05-18-2008, 02:11 PM
The ones i'm getting are raised by the LFS in their hatchery so they are use to my tap water conditions. Should have some pics up sometime today!

Halelorf
05-18-2008, 06:47 PM
Got my ram pair after I moved the last goldfish out of the tank and did a 50% water change. Drip accliamated the rams and I also picked up a albino long finned bristle nose pleco. Also saw a big albino gourami that had been dyed so I was about to not get any fish. But that's the only dyed one i've ever seen there in many years of going and they have the best selection of fish. So I yelled at one of the employees for a few minutes about the dyeing process. It's too bad I didn't see the owner. Anyways the lights will be out till later tonight or till tomorrow then i'll try to get some pics!

Incredulous_Ed
05-19-2008, 04:27 PM
SOunds great! Pics?

Halelorf
05-19-2008, 09:50 PM
My picture quest wasn't amazing but considering that the fish have been in the tank for less than a day I think it was good. Ordered a CO2 diffuser for my 10 gallon planted community tank and a RO/DI filter for my saltwater and the ram tank since my water is hard and i've gotten sick of lugging 6 gallon containers of water across town. Now time for pics!

Here is the little pleco. This photo does it no justice at all. It's only about 1.5 inches long but it is beautiful with nice flowing fins. It was not easy waiting and trying to coax it out.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/Pleco1-1.jpg

Here is the male ram hiding. Difficult angle on a small fish so :/. The female is just out of the picture in a small hole in the sand behind the lip of the pot. She still has a nice red belly when I saw the pair exploring earlier.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/Ram1.jpg

And here is a full tank shot. Excuse the blurryness my hands don't stop shaking and I couldn't find my tripod. You get a basic idea of the tank. The plants are all silk but i'm going to start replacing them with corkscrew vals from my 10 gallon once I get more runners sprouting. The substrate is white sand that my apple snail thought would be funny to poop all over right before he was moved to my 30 gallon tank before I decide if he is to go into the pond or not.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/FTS55-01.jpg


Hope you've enjoyed! I'll be getting more pics after some more cleaning and the fish all get settled in.

Incredulous_Ed
05-20-2008, 02:17 AM
The male ram is lookin a bit stressed, but otherwise good! He;ll color up in a little bit.

kaoticice
05-20-2008, 11:46 AM
is that sand or fine gravel?? ur tank looks beautiful.. My favorite is the bristlenose =D

Lady Hobbs
05-20-2008, 12:15 PM
I'd get a couple more rams but turn your tank lights off so they aren't so stressed out. They recover faster in the dark.

Halelorf
05-20-2008, 01:56 PM
Alright, i'm going to pick up another pair of rams on wednesday and leave the lights off for a few days. The single pair has been exploring all over and have just found the little clay plate I use in the middle of the tank to drop in NLS pellets.

Incredulous_Ed
05-20-2008, 09:42 PM
Cool. What size tank is this?

Halelorf
05-20-2008, 11:34 PM
tank is 55 gallons. substrate is sand. Picked up another pair of rams and 6 emerald green corydoras. The corys went straight to shovelling around in the sand and the rams immediatly started to square off over one of the clay pots. There is much more movement and life in the tank now!

Incredulous_Ed
05-21-2008, 04:03 AM
Cool! You shoudl have a pair soon. In a few weeks, expect eggs!

Halelorf
05-21-2008, 01:26 PM
My alarm woke me up this morning so I glanced over at the tank and watched it for a few minutes. Then I start to notice that most of the corys are following one of the others all around the tank. So I got up and looked at what the comotion was all about. EGGS!!! All over! My mag float was completely covered in cory eggs, as well as one of the silk plants and near the filter output. I quickly grabbed my camera and got some more pics. The rams are pretty funny also. The first two that were added sunday have for sure formed a pair. The second two that were added last night have not. The second female is trying to steal the first male but that really ticks off the first female so she comes screaming out and attacks the other female. All the while the second male gets rejected by the second female and chased away by all three others, poor guy. Then they all go back to their respective corners of the tank and start the process over in a few minutes. So lets see some pics!

Here are two of the corys who actually stopped moving for more than 0.25 seconds.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/Cory1.jpg

And another
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/Cory2.jpg

Here is one side of the magfloat covered in eggs. I moved it into the air bubbler as everyone has been enjoying the mornings caviar and I want to see if I can't get a fry or two out of this spawn.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/CoryEggs1.jpg

Here are eggs near the filter output before they were eaten and replaced by two times the eggs.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/CoryEggs2.jpg

Halelorf
05-21-2008, 01:28 PM
Continued! :hmm3grin2orange:


Here is the lonely second female ram unsuccessful at seducing the male from the pair.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/LonelyFemaleRam.jpg

Mr. Pleco came out from behind the heater to munch on algae so I got some of him/her.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/Pleco2.jpg

And a super close up.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/Pleco3.jpg

Halelorf
05-21-2008, 01:29 PM
CONTINUED AGAIN!

Finally the ram pair controlling their plastic grass plant.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/Rams1.jpg

and the last one.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/Rams2.jpg


Hope you've enjoyed!

Incredulous_Ed
05-21-2008, 08:36 PM
VERY nice! The rams will probably lay eggs too!

Halelorf
05-22-2008, 01:39 AM
The other two rams paired up sometime this afternoon and took up the right side of the tank as their territory:19:

MelonMan
05-22-2008, 05:04 AM
cute cories!!

kaoticice
05-22-2008, 08:42 AM
I really love your tank.

How many species type and amount are inhabiting in the tank? I have a 40 gallon tank atm and wanting to do something similar.

Also, are those live plants??

Ed

Halelorf
05-22-2008, 01:43 PM
Right now the tank has these fish:

(6) Emerald Green Cory Brochis splendens
(4) German Blue Rams Mikrogeophagus ramirezi
(1) Albino Longfin Bristlenose Pleco Ancistrus spp.


The plants in there are silk but I have a 10 gallon planted community that i'm going to start replacing the fake ones with once I can propagate a few.

It will have the following plants:

Amazon Sword Echinodorus amazonicus
Italian Val Vallisneria spiralis
Tiger Lotus Nymphaea lotus 'Zenkeri'
Red Foxtail Myriophyllum heterophyllum

kaoticice
05-22-2008, 02:34 PM
Oh ok. thankx for the info, Im planning to do something similar, but probably with apistogramma instead (2 pairs or 2 trio's).

I cant wait till those corydoras eggs hatch :19:

Halelorf
05-22-2008, 03:42 PM
Yea I moved as many eggs as I could to a small breeding setup I have. Not sure how many were fertile but any that don't get fungus should hatch in a couple of days.

Wild Turkey
05-22-2008, 06:12 PM
Love the corys, they look great! I also have the same problem getting my corys to sit still

Halelorf
05-23-2008, 09:00 PM
Just dropped two algae waffers into the clay dish for the corys. Next thing you know you have a pair of rams with 6 hungry corys trying to devour them. It's pretty hilarious to see a tiny 1.5" female ram attack and fight back a few 3" corys to try and finish a piece of food bigger than she is! The female ram won everytime too :hmm3grin2orange:.

MandyL
05-23-2008, 09:02 PM
Typical cichlids! My keyholes are always hogging the sinking wafers too.

Halelorf
05-24-2008, 12:47 AM
Just saw in my little isolation chamber atleast 6 little squiggler corys from my eggs.

kaoticice
05-24-2008, 07:45 AM
^ Congratzz for the baby :19:

Halelorf
05-24-2008, 12:27 PM
Been finding some squigglers that look nothing like the cory fry so i'm thinking maybe a pair of rams already spawned.

Incredulous_Ed
05-24-2008, 05:03 PM
Been finding some squigglers that look nothing like the cory fry so i'm thinking maybe a pair of rams already spawned.
lol you lucky dog

Halelorf
05-25-2008, 05:21 AM
There are probably 20-30 cory fry right now, and they spawned again this morning lol. I'm going to be up to my head in corys pretty soon.

Halelorf
05-28-2008, 03:49 AM
The cory fry absorbed their yolk sacs and are free swimming now. Stil super tiny and when I drop some crushed pellet food in I can see their ultra tiny barbels swishing around. One of them seems to be albino also. In a week or two if they grow large enough for my camera to pick up i'll try to get a picture of them.

kaoticice
05-28-2008, 05:38 AM
What other kind of food do you feed your little cory fry? Coz I rkn BBS is a little too much of a hassle" ><

Give us some piciess soooonn :c3:

Halelorf
05-28-2008, 02:20 PM
I crush up some NLS pellets into a fine powder and drop it into the isolation container I have them in. I'm not sure when I can get pictures, they are super tiny. Probably about 4-7 mm in length. My camera won't be able to pick them up until they are maybe a good cm long with some gurth to them.

kaoticice
05-29-2008, 07:12 AM
kool thankx for the info ^_____^

Get us some fry piccies as soon as you can xD kekekek

Halelorf
05-29-2008, 01:50 PM
Just noticed this morning that it looks like both of the female rams have breeding tubes visible so there might be some baby rams in the near future :19:

Incredulous_Ed
05-29-2008, 03:58 PM
Just noticed this morning that it looks like both of the female rams have breeding tubes visible so there might be some baby rams in the near future :19:
Very cool!

Halelorf
05-30-2008, 11:17 PM
Ask and you shall recieve.

Got out my camera since I tried to get some photos of my nano reef saltwater tank. So I spun my chair around to the ram tank and snapped a few. I apologize for some of them being blurry. First some of the shots are of the cory fry and trying to pick those up is maxing out my cameras ability and two my hands always shake and I don't have a tripod. So with that in mind bare with me :hmm3grin2orange:.

First lets try to see the cory fry.

Here are the little babies! Notice on the isolation chamber it says "MADE IN USA" that is probably size 10 font on a word processor. These things are TINY!

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/CoryFry1.jpg

Second shot, see if any of you can find the albino fry. It's pretty hard to tell because it's blurry but in person it's very obvious.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/CoryFry2.jpg

And the final shot. The bubbler is the smallest one I can get at the LFS. To give you another size comparison.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/CoryFry3.jpg

Halelorf
05-30-2008, 11:19 PM
Now time for some updated ram shots.

Here was the best picture I got out of 150 because of my shaky hands. This is the first pair male. He's asking in the picture, "where's my dinner chump!?"

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/F1-F1Ram1.jpg


Here is the second pair female. Sorry about the blur.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/F1-F2Ram1.jpg

And a final one of the second female.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/F1-F2Ram2.jpg

Hope you've enjoyed!

Incredulous_Ed
05-30-2008, 11:37 PM
Very very nice rams! how big are they?

Halelorf
05-30-2008, 11:53 PM
The biggest one is the first male who is probably 1.5-2 inches. The rest are all around a inch. The second male is still young and hasn't colored up yet but he's getting there. Both pairs always fight over the feeding dish in the center of the tank then retreat back to their pots and start again in a few minutes.

kaoticice
05-31-2008, 01:02 AM
YOU're GBR IS STUNNNINNG !!!!!!!!!!!!! :18:
Cories are so tinnnnyyy and cute <3

Did you purchase them as pair? or couple of juvie's and sex them once they get older? or do they pair up straight away?

Ed

Halelorf
06-06-2008, 12:05 AM
I promised in another thread some new pictures last weekend so I apologize for not keeping that! I ran into some trouble installing my RO/DI filter and my 2 hour project turned into a 3 day one. I finally got everything sorted out with the filter and got it running so I now have awesome water to use for my reef and ram tanks. I cleaned the glass this morning on my ram tank and with several hours to burn and 4 newly emptied camera memory sticks I set out to get some darn nice pics. I hope these photos will earn my forgiveness :D.

First up we will go with the cory fry. They seem to grow everyday and you can now make out their dorsal fins very well. They are still very difficult to get photos of but these are pretty good for my shaky hands to pull off. Notice the albino in the lower right corner.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/CoryFry4.jpg

and another.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/CoryFry5.jpg


Now time for Mr. Pleco. It finally came off the back glass behind the heater during the daytime for me, and these photos are the result. It's probably about 3" and it's fins are very flowing and pretty. I'll let the pictures do the rest of the talking.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/Pleco4.jpg

And another.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/Pleco5.jpg

Halelorf
06-06-2008, 12:07 AM
Time for the corys who also posed for me today. They were hilarious the whole day racing all around the tank. They are saying in the photos, "It wasn't me!"

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/Cory3.jpg

and another.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/Cory4.jpg

The rams were also out and about today. The first group male was strutting around and I snapped these photos of him.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/F1-MRam1.jpg

and another

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/F1-MRam2.jpg

Halelorf
06-06-2008, 12:10 AM
And the final group of photos. The female ram of thesecond group. The most elusive creature of the tank. She and the second male ram have been almost cleaning I would say the top of a clay pot. Her belly has become a very intense red and you can see her breeding tube very easily. After 500 odd photo attempts of her I was about to give up. Then I looked at the clock and realized it was close to feeding time. So a couple NLS pellets to tempt her and some amazing luck with my camera I got these, probably some of my best photos ever. Enjoy!

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/F1-FRam1.jpg


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/F1-FRam2.jpg


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/F1-FRam3.jpg


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/F1-FRam4.jpg

Hope you hae enjoyed! More to come later.

kaoticice
06-06-2008, 12:17 AM
Still drooling with the GBR :18:

Omg im amazed at the growth of those little corydoras o_O" .. You sure you dont feed it live food?

I thought my BN got killed in my tank and didn't see him for a week, just found him at night yesterday lolx!

Incredulous_Ed
06-06-2008, 05:01 AM
Awesome! expect babies soon!

Halelorf
06-12-2008, 01:47 AM
Got some driftwood cheap online and got it floating in the tank now. Hoping it will sink sometime soon. Added the first live plants which were two runners from my italian vals. This week has been a soap opera in my tank. The second group seemed to have a change of heart and the male decided he didn't want the female around him anymore. So after a couple hours of chasing her away and then having her get caught between the first group and the second male I moved things around to break up some territories. It didn't work as well as I planned so the female got a bit stressed from catching all the aggression between the three other rams. Now I came home and found that the first group took over the second males area and they don't seem to mind the second female hanging around, so the tables have been turned on Mr. Mean Ram. The cory fry are growing well, they have moved up to coarse crushed pellets now. Should be able to eat full pellets in a few weeks. I will get some pictures once the driftwood settles and I get things back in order.

Ryuu
06-12-2008, 02:21 AM
Pretty rams, and coreys look awesome

Halelorf
06-16-2008, 05:02 PM
Started cutting my tap water with 50% RO water and everything is looking great. Still waiting for my giant piece of driftwood to submerge and stop floating but it's only been in the tank for about a week could take several more. I've lost about 5 of the cory fry, I think I need a larger setup for them. Some of them are getting very large and in a few weeks i'm going to try and release them into the main tank. The two small val runners I pruned from my 10 gallon tank have taken root and are growing some new leaves so I hope those will get big and pretty soon. The most exciting thing to update is that the first pair of rams have been getting super territorial over the last few days. So just before lights out yesterday night I looked at a piece of slate rock near one of the small driftwood pieces and noticed the female digging a small hole in the sand next to the rock. Both of them have been sitting guarding around the rock zealously. The corys run over like puppy dogs then get blindsided by some very angry rams for disturbing them. Hopefully I can get some ram fry soon. Might have to break out a old 5 gallon tank and put it on my desk if I keep getting babies.

Incredulous_Ed
06-16-2008, 05:26 PM
Whoo! Sounds lke ram fry are on the way!

Fishguy2727
06-16-2008, 10:19 PM
What's the pH?

I am glad your rams seem to be working pretty well. I had two pairs in a 55 and they decided it wasn't big enough for them all. They never bred, but did defend and clean off a fake amazon sword leaf.

Visual barriers that block the line of sight from one end of the tank to the other can help cichlid settle in.

How big is the driftwood?

I had a couple pieces in the 150 that floated for months, one never sank.

Try and find some swords, they seem to like those. I wish I could find a nice tiger lotus aroung here.

Are you sure the cories are no threat to the ram eggs, even at night?

Incredulous_Ed
06-16-2008, 11:43 PM
I think the rams would be able to defend the eggs against the cories. The problem they would have is when they become free swimming. That when the parents lose track of them and tetras and oher fish pick them off.

Fishguy2727
06-17-2008, 01:41 AM
I wouldn't assume it. Angels can lose entire broods overnight as tankmates take advantage of the cover of darkness. Even while still eggs angels can't defend the brood, so I doubt rams could. They go to sleep at night, and that's exactly when so many bottom feeders are out feeding.

Halelorf
06-20-2008, 08:20 PM
Got out of work early and performed some water changes on tanks so I grabbed my camera afterwards and snapped some shots. One of the two newer pieces of driftwood finally sunk this morning although it isn't fully waterlogged yet it is trying bobbing on the bottom. The cory fry are growing very big and some of them are almost large enough to be released into the tank, i'm waiting till they are a 1/2" long with some gurth before I release them. I've had about a 20% mortality rate with this group of fry and it seems that once they grow past a certain point they are much less prone to death. All of the fry I have lost were small and none have died in nearly two weeks. The rams are still keeping their territories guarded and exploring around. There is always the small little epic battle at the feeding plate once the two pairs see each other out in the open. So here are some pics!

First picture is a full tank shot. I tried to get it with the least amount of reflection as I could. If you look closely you can see my nano reef tank and my ocellaris clownfish swimming.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/FTS55-02.jpg

Here is the left corner of the tank, where th second pair of rams has been claiming as their own. The corys also like to hang around in this area and under the slte house. The driftwood is the piece that finally sank, in another week or so once it takes on more water i'll position it into a place that I like.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/LeftCorner.jpg

Here is a pic of a few cory fry, some of the a putting on some gurth now.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/CoryFry6.jpg

Here is a better shot of more of the little ones. This is right after a midday feeding. The albino one is still kicking!

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/CoryFry7.jpg

Halelorf
06-20-2008, 08:21 PM
More pics!

Here is the first pair of rams investigating why my camera is close to their area.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/F1-P1Ram.jpg

And the final picture is the second pair male ram chilling out in one of the cly pots next to the slate house.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/F1-MRam3.jpg

Hope you've enjoyed!

Fishguy2727
06-20-2008, 10:10 PM
Do you have a fresh flow hang in container? I think that is what they are called. They have a hookup for an air pump to keep the water in those fry containers fresh and moving. We lost a bunch of kuhlii loaches at work because they did not have enough flow through the plastic net breeder they were in.

Halelorf
06-20-2008, 10:35 PM
Do you have a fresh flow hang in container? I think that is what they are called. They have a hookup for an air pump to keep the water in those fry containers fresh and moving. We lost a bunch of kuhlii loaches at work because they did not have enough flow through the plastic net breeder they were in.

No it's actually a small lizard/betta home that I took floated in the tank and put a air diffuser in. I used it for a goldfish fry that I had awhile back because I didn't have a fry tank for it and the other goldfish would chase it constantly and it couldn't eat. I feed them in the morning and at night and about a half hour after feeding I use a turkey baster to suck up leftovers from the bottom and a small glass to take out 50% of the water and fill it back with tank water. This method has worked fairly well for me in the past since I have no extra room fora fry tank although i'm thinking about trying one if I get any ram eggs.

Incredulous_Ed
06-21-2008, 05:52 AM
To get your rams to breed try feeding live (perferred) or frozen food every other meal. They'll spawen in a few days if you do that.

Sharkman
06-23-2008, 07:23 PM
this is a great thread and it really makes me want to get some rams.

Halelorf
07-08-2008, 11:43 AM
Had a small update, just returned from a 2 week vacation. Everyone is doing fine as I didn't leave town. Some of the cory fry, about 5, have put on some major growth. Very soon I am going to release them into the main tank. The rams haven't bred yet and I think it's because of both pairs in the tank. So i'm going to take the guppys I have from my 10 gallon tropic tank and put them into my 30 gallon tank and move a pair of rams into that tank. I won't be able to get any until probably this weekend so sorry to tempt you. I have been cutting the tap water with 50% RO/DI during water changes in the few weeks and with the driftwood releasing tanins the water got a nice amber tinge to it. Been testing the water weekly and it has a ph bottoming out my test kit at 6.0 with GH of 3 and a KH of maybe 1.5, had to double the testing volume because the reagent changed color on the first drop. I'll come back once I get some new pics!

Halelorf
07-12-2008, 11:24 PM
Here a true update with pics. Everyone is doing great in the tank. The babies are growing fast and are almost able to eat NLS pellets whole so a couple weeks after they are able to do that they graduate from the fry bucket into the big world of the 55. The albino longfin bristlenose has been flying all around the tank sucking on the glass and drift wood. I looked closely the other day and could see some of the bristles starting to come in and it has grown a noticable amount. The driftwood has put some heavy tanins in the water so the pictures aren't the best quality but everyone loves the acidic water so it is well worth it. Time for pics enjoy!

Start off with the tribe of emerald cories sitting in their corner next the the second ram pair territory.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/Cory5.jpg

Here is a close up of the baby cory. Some of them are super plump and all of them look like tiny adult fish.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/CoryFry8.jpg

and another.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/CoryFry9.jpg

Here is a full tank shot, you can see the cory fry better here. They are in the smal container floating on the right side of the tank. Still working on sinking the big driftwood. Once that happens it will be awesome!

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/FTS55-03.jpg

Halelorf
07-12-2008, 11:27 PM
It's Ram time. These next pics are all the first pair of rams as the second pair didn't feel like coming out much to pose.

Here is a super close up of the male strutting his stuff.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/F1-P1Ram1.jpg

The couple swooning around their clay pot and driftwood. Check out that red belly woooo!

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/F1-P1Ram2.jpg

Again around the pot and wood.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/F1-P1Ram3.jpg

The female making the male clean off a leaf from the fake tiger lotus silk plant.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/F1-P1Ram4.jpg

Hope you have enjoyed more updates to come at some point!

Incredulous_Ed
07-14-2008, 09:24 PM
No eggs yet?

Halelorf
07-15-2008, 02:14 AM
None that I have seen, i'm thinking I need to break the view of the tank up between the two pairs. Once I can get the big drift wood to sink it will be much easier but for now nothing. I'm going to start adding frozen mysis shrimp into the food schedule to see if that doesn't jump start it. Although they could have easily laid eggs and either ate them or the corys or pleco got to them before I saw. Either way, i'm in no rush for baby rams i'm still working with the toddler corys. :thumb:

Halelorf
07-18-2008, 02:45 AM
Been feeding frozen mysis shrimp in the morning to the rams. At first they didn't know it was food and wouldn't touch it for several minutes. Then one of the males got brave and chomped on one and then suddenly they all went crazy for them. I've been noticing the pairs starting to defend their respective territory much more aggresively from each other now. Had a few deaths with the baby corys, including the albino :scry: , so the little isolation chamber had finally become overstocked for the setup I had running for them. I tore down my 10 gallon planted community tank because all the plants became giant mats of green hair algae that was nasty. The plan was to make a saltwater coral frag tank but it was much easier to give the biggest corys a bigger space. So I moved the 3 guppies into my 30gallon community tank and took the shoal of 10 cardinal tetras and put it into the ram tank for some mid-level dither fish. I ended up taking out around 6 really big baby corys and putting them into the now very bare 10 gallon. Once the other ones catch up in growth they will join their siblings and once the babies get around 1" in length they will go into the main tank.
Been floating a idea around my head for a larger south american fish to become a focal point in the tank. Was thinking about a flame gourami or a angel of some sorts. Although i'm a bit cautious about a angel even though it will be by itself as I don't want the aggression of a mated pair, I don't know if I wanted to risk having my cardinals become a lunch. Anyone have another suggestion for a mid to top level fish that would go with the others?

Incredulous_Ed
07-18-2008, 06:15 PM
Do you mean in the 30 gallon or the 55gal?

If it were the 55gal, I would say get a large school of pencilfish (nannostomus). They wont bother the rams and actually make the rams less shy.

Halelorf
07-18-2008, 10:35 PM
I meant the 55 gallon tank. The 30 gallon is more like a void from the twilight zone, where random fish I get go to live. It was my fathers tank but he is still stuck in the 70s for fish keeping and uses only gravel filters on his tanks. So when it crashed last I took it over and ditched the gravel filter and used my brothers canister filter and equipment since he had to take down his bosemani rainbow tank and I set it back up in the 30. I also just found a baby cory cat in my Xp3 canister filter just like I did with the baby goldfish. I'm thinking this filter is super amazing luck as I can't see how anything survives in there let alone thrives like this little guy is. It is easily the same length as the largest baby I had but not the same gurth. Which will change shortly since I have it in the new 10 gallon baby tank. thumbs2:

Halelorf
07-23-2008, 01:30 AM
So the past week i've been feeding frozen mysis shrimp to my ram pairs. I also noticed my heater was a little bit lower for what I would like. So I raised that up today to around 85F. Came home after work and class and went about my usual business of feeding and topping off my saltwater tank. Just after lights out I go over and watch the ram tank and notice something strange that i've not seen in the tank before. On the right side of the tank was a big pit in the sand next to some driftwood. So I watched the closest pair of rams near the pit and see the male sitting in one spot around where he normally is just fanning away with his fins. Taking a closer look at the rock he was next to I see it. A giant clutch of eggs! So far he seems very diligent with the eggs cleaning and fanning them. He won't even let the female come within maybe 7 inches of the eggs before he charges and drives her away. There is also another pit on the other side of the tank near the other pair of rams. So there might be a double spawn. Just got my cory babies to a grow out tank now I might have more, this is crazy! :hmm3grin2orange:

Incredulous_Ed
07-23-2008, 04:32 AM
Awesome! Congrats man! How are you going to raise them?

Halelorf
07-24-2008, 01:56 AM
The eggs got eaten so I have no plan to raise them. This was the first spawn i've seen and I think it was their first since i've never seen the male dig a pit. Hopefully when the next spawn rolls around i'll have my baby corys ready to leave the 10 gallon tank and move up with the big boys. I'm thinking that by the time I move the corys up if they still can't get the fry to the wriggler stage i'm going to put some slate tile pieces in near their territory. Then hope they lay eggs on the tile and i'll just move them to the fry tank before they can eat them. Anyways I should have some time to think it through. :hmm3grin2orange:

Halelorf
07-27-2008, 01:47 AM
Added some brown sand to the tank to mellow out the white color of the original sand as it reflects light and is too bright for the fish. After redecorating the tank I noticed the second pair of rams over in the front corner. The male was starting to dig another pit in the new sand so one of the pairs should get the hang of how to get fry past the egg stage soon. Both females have very deep red colored bellys, like a cherry, so i'm thinking there is going to be another spawn soon. I'll be getting some pictures once I get my camera back.

Halelorf
08-07-2008, 09:35 PM
Have had all the cory fry in the 10 gallon setup I made now for a few weeks and wow has the growth been amazing. A majority of them are now around the size of a cardinal tetra and they look to be in awesome health. Planning on starting to move them up to the main 55gallon tank very soon but I will get some pictures of them before I do that. The second pair of rams has been busy digging holes all around their side of the tank. It is very cool to watch them bulldozing sand all around. I am planning on getting a big rubbermaid container and putting a bunch of pots on the stove to boil water and try to boil the piece of driftwood since it still hasn't sunk. If that fails i'm going to cut it in half and try to get the two pieces to sink. I will get some new pictures sometime soon have just been busy with school starting back up and not much free time.

Halelorf
08-11-2008, 07:58 PM
Here are newer pictures as promised. Ended up taking the large piece of driftwood out and was planning on cutting it in half to try and get it to sink but I didin't have the time to do that today. So onto the pictures!

Here is the shoal of cardinal tetras with the second pair of rams watching.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/cardinals1.jpg

And a picture of the second pair of rams.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/f1-P2Rams01.jpg

Here is one of the adult cory poking it's head out.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/cory6.jpg

Here are the baby corys in the 10 gallon fry tank. Didn't setup a light for the tank so this is all lit by a flashlight for the shot. The largest of the babies are around the size of the cardinals with more gurth. They will go into the large tank very soon :).
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/coryfry10.jpg

Halelorf
08-11-2008, 07:59 PM
and here is the albino longfin bristle nose hiding in a pot.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/pleco06.jpg

Hailey
08-15-2008, 05:34 AM
Wow, I read this whole post and I really, really want some GBRs! I think I'm going to put a pair in my tank, just hopefully my pet store will get some in.
Very intersesting posts! and great pics!
I've never had luck with my corys, but congrats on all the cory fry! What are you going to do with them? Just keep them all?
I'll check back often...

Halelorf
08-16-2008, 02:51 PM
My second pair of rams layed eggs all over one of the pits the dug on the left side of the tank either yesterday or this morning. They are both taking very good care of them keeping other fish away. I was going to move the largest cory fry into the main tank this weekend but I think i'mgoing to hold off until the ram eggs either hatch or get eaten. Don't think it would be nice to throw the small corys right into the path of some breeding rams. I'll try to get some pictures but I don't want to disturb the pair so most likely you won't be able to see anything.

Halelorf
08-18-2008, 05:53 PM
Just a small update. The rams ended up getting nervous and ate the batch of eggs, but they are still new at parenting. One of the male rams ended up getting attacked pretty bad on his eye so he developed some pop-eye so I decided to move him to the 10 gallon that the baby corys were in and move the baby corys up to the main tank finally. It is hilarious to watch them as they have never been in sand before. So they go screaming all over the tank and plunged straight into the sand buring themselves up to their tail then pop out and rest for a bit before repeating. Just like a bunch of little kids on a playground. Also thinking of moving one of the females down to the lower tank since I don't want the other pair to gang up on her and then have two rams with a infection.

Halelorf
09-01-2008, 01:02 AM
The injury the male ram got was I think either a tumor or a infected abscess that ended up rupturing open. Went to do water changes this afternoon and noticed how bad his eye was so I ended up euthanizing him. Tore down the tank and am getting ready to clean it and use it as a marine QT tank. The other group of rams made several little pits yesterday but they destroyed them this morning. All the corys are growing really fast and look very healthy.

troy
09-01-2008, 02:06 AM
Sorry for your loss. :ssad: :scry:

Halelorf
09-17-2008, 12:58 AM
My second male ramirez has gotten sick in the last 24 hours. It looks like dropsy to me, very bloated but the scales arn't pineconed yet. I'm thinking it is going to kick the bucket pretty soon. I've been unable to net it out to move to QT. I just don't think the strain of GBR I got is great or I just got two sick males. The females are fine but I don't want to get two more males of the same stock unless they are easily available from a private breeder. I'm thinking of returning the two females and getting a single pair of bolivian rams.

Halelorf
09-17-2008, 09:43 PM
It was dropsy and the ramirez passed away sometime this afternoon. The females seem very sad now. I haven't decided if i'm going to return the two females for a pair of bolvian rams or buy two new male blue rams.

Halelorf
10-23-2008, 12:11 AM
Lots of things to update. Got a whole bunch of plants a couple of weeks back and they are growing in nicely. Still haven't done anything with the two females rams since the fish store didn't have any rams available last time I went. Still fiddling with some functions of the camera but i've figured out how to use a good bit of it. So here are some updated shots.

Here is one of the ever elusive albino long-fin bristle nose pleco.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/pleco07.jpg

Here are the two female rams trying to act tough in the corner.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/frams01.jpg

Here is my first attempt at a panorama photo of the tank. Sorry for the reflections in the glass I was more worried about lining the shots up to become one.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/panorama1.jpg

Halelorf
10-23-2008, 12:15 AM
Continued...

Here is the left corner with the cabomba plant.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/cabomba1.jpg

Here is just off from the center with the red foxtail
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/foxtail1.jpg

Here is the middle with Italian Vals, Anubias Nana, and left over clippings from the cabomba and foxtail.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/anubias1.jpg

Here is the right side corner with another of the cabomba break offs, it has the roots of a water lettuce caught in it's leaves.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/halelorf/cabomba2.jpg

Planning to add some java moss to the driftwood and get a few more small pieces to add to the tank. The surface has a growing mat of water lettuce and duckweed that I plan to move to my rainbow tank once it begins to cover the top.

Thanks for looking!

troy
10-24-2008, 01:53 AM
great pictures!

Northernguy
10-24-2008, 08:09 PM
Great pics! Sorry to hear about all your fish.