Great White killed swimmer in CA [Archive]

nanaglen2001

04-26-2008, 09:14 AM

It may sound brutal, but shit happens.:14:

The shark just mistook the swimmer for a seal or so, and I bet it just took one bite and found out the "seal" didnt taste any good at all. But that test bite is normaly leathal for us humans.

All the time there is a big fuss when ONE human is killed by a shark, but no one cares how many sharks are killed by us, its something about 1 man to 1,000,000 killed sharks.

And now a big shark hunt will start, but the chance to catch the "bad, evil, satanic killer" is very tiny, it already moved on. I always feel very sorry for all the poor sharks which get killed right now.

Lady Hobbs

04-26-2008, 02:46 PM

jbeining75

04-26-2008, 02:54 PM

Just so everyone knows you are more likely to get hit by a bus walking across the street than bitten by a shark. I forget the exact stats but it is like 20000 times more likely to die in an airplane crash and 1 million times more likely you will die in an automobile accident.

Sharks are not predatory towards humans. If the guy had a wetsuit on and was swimming that looks alot like a seal that is surfacing. Sharks attack seals on the surface as they are ambush predators. This is why most commonly swimmers and surfers get hit. Scuba divers are 80 times less likely to get hit by a shark than a surfer. Humans just aren't on the list. The thing is the first bite is an instinct bite then the shark leaves as he knows we are not a seal because of the vast difference in fat content which the shark prefers. The bad thing is great whites are so big that the first bite is usually big enough to kill a human from the instant blood loss.

Wild Turkey

04-26-2008, 02:59 PM

People need to do their research. I live clear across the US and i know more about whites than that guy. If he had been thinking, it wouldnt have happened.
You have to consider what and how you appear to large predatory fish. Also the time of day, tide, and time of year will greatly affect your chances of being bitten. You should also avoid areas where the water gets deep very quickly, not just for whites but all sharks. When you go to the beach and you see people like 50 yards out standing in waste height water, thats literally the worst place to be. Its a big sandbar created by the tide, and to get out there you usually have to swim across a deep area and THIS is where most of those "close to the shore within 3 feet of water" situations happen. But all in all the bottom line is, you wont get attacked by a white on the beach :) So if conditions for shark attacks are bad (ask i lifeguard if you dont know) stay out of the water? Duh. Thats not to say shark attacks are not a rarity because they are, but more often than not when they do happen it could have easily been avoided.

The days of going out and killing the nearest shark when this happens are over. Thankfully. Sharks still get a bad rap, but things have gotten alot better over the last 15 or 20 years for them. No action will be taken against whites in that area, but in the 60's, every MFer with a boat would be out there killing sharks left are right regardless of size or species, like a bad jaws remake.

Edit: 10,000 chief. For that you get the head, the tail.....the whole damn thing. lol

Rue

04-26-2008, 03:10 PM

As sad as it is that someone died...

I hate when these kind of deaths get so much media attention...it's not the sharks fault...he was doing what sharks do...

It's much more 'natural' for us to be eaten than hit by a bus, yet many more people die in 'unnatural' traffic accidents than by animals...

hockeyref88

04-26-2008, 03:45 PM

I live here in So Cal. They say it was about a 17 footer. When its that big anything that moves is food. I doubt it was extremly hungry and said well I'll settle for this. I think there eating machines and will eat whatever comes along. The thing I don't like is they started looking for it trying to hunt it down. Now I know it killed someone but it was doing what comes natural to it. The guy was swimming in a kelp bed. Kelp beds are typically full of fish............well you know the rest. It was just an unfortunate set of circumstances. I don't know, I just don't like that we would try and to go kill the thing for doing what it does in its own environment. I know I'm probably along in thinking this way.

Wild Turkey

04-26-2008, 04:43 PM

I think there eating machines and will eat whatever comes along.

Thats the kind of attitude that causes people to go and hunt them down. In that area white sharks diet consists almost purely of seals. They dont like people, and no they dont eat anything that comes along. Totally false. Even the tiger shark, previously thought to be the "garbage can of the sea" is not an indescriminate eater. Sick or hurt animals are one thing, but this shark does not see people as good to eat, it sees people from below and mistakes them for its main food, seal. Very, very easy to do especially when they are swimming in groups like seals often do. VERY RARELY DOES A WHITE SHARK COME BACK TO EAT A PERSON AFTER THE FIRST BITE. That should tell you they will not "eat whatever comes along."

doug z

04-26-2008, 04:47 PM

And that's why I'll never set foot in an Ocean..

Heck, I get spooked in LAKES, if I'm just off a repeat viewing of Jaws.. :(

When you consider how many people get struck by LIGHTENING each year, or killed by moose (hitting them with their car) you wonder why stuff like this gets people so riled up about the evil sharks..

Lady Hobbs

04-26-2008, 05:07 PM

Hard for us to know as humans what a shark is thinking and what they aren't. They're wild and will conduct themselves as any other wild creature will. We can study them for years and years and when all is said and done, it's still only speculation on our part.

nanaglen2001

04-26-2008, 07:46 PM

There are some scientists who are research sharks. It has been on German TV. They found out sharks, as most of fish, have a body language. Very interesting. Rhey communicate a lot with the way they hold their fins and all kind of movements.

There is even some guy (I dunno if American, South African or Australian), who swims withe Tiger Sharks and White sharks. He knows their way of communication, and so he moves along with them without being bothered at all. That guy knows when to get back on the boat.

Man that TV show was very interesting and fascinating.

And even withing White sharks are differences in the way they hunt. African sharks jump (oh what a sight) and Californian dont.

By the way, the big White isnt the most dangerous shark. Its one which even can swim into rivers. That animals lives in Southern Asia, North Australia and South America (Amazone area). Because it can happily live in fresh water, lots of people are killed, while bathing in the rivers.

Sharks are so darned faszinating. Just imagine, there have been sharks in the Oceans, even before Dinosaurs walked the earth.

NickFish

04-26-2008, 08:17 PM

I'm sad the guy got killed, but of course it wasn't the sharks fault.

Poor guy. Now nobody's going near that beach for awhile.

hockeyref88

04-26-2008, 08:19 PM

Thats the kind of attitude that causes people to go and hunt them down. In that area white sharks diet consists almost purely of seals. They dont like people, and no they dont eat anything that comes along. Totally false. Even the tiger shark, previously thought to be the "garbage can of the sea" is not an indescriminate eater. Sick or hurt animals are one thing, but this shark does not see people as good to eat, it sees people from below and mistakes them for its main food, seal. Very, very easy to do especially when they are swimming in groups like seals often do. VERY RARELY DOES A WHITE SHARK COME BACK TO EAT A PERSON AFTER THE FIRST BITE. That should tell you they will not "eat whatever comes along."

That kind of attitude???????? Whatever. When they catch them and open them up there full all kinds of things that move in the ocean, They have basically one goal other than breeding and thats eating. Thats what they do. they swim constantly and look for food. Yes seals are there main diet but will eat anything they can catch and fit into there mouth. With a great white VERY RARELY IS THERE MUCH LEFT AFTER THE FIST BITE.

Wild Turkey

04-26-2008, 10:34 PM

That kind of attitude???????? Whatever. When they catch them and open them up there full all kinds of things that move in the ocean, They have basically one goal other than breeding and thats eating. Thats what they do. they swim constantly and look for food. Yes seals are there main diet but will eat anything they can catch and fit into there mouth. With a great white VERY RARELY IS THERE MUCH LEFT AFTER THE FIST BITE.

Sorry, but you are not correct. Quoting the movie jaws wont disprove any facts. If the Great White Shark will eat anything it can get ahold of that moves, it would have eaten the man instead of biting off his legs and leaving the "good" part.

Edit: Furthermore, theres no reason you should be hunting, killing, and cutting open great white sharks whatsoever. Remember you are surrounded by fish lovers.

Sharks dont like people, we're boney and we dont taste good to them. Ask any shark expert. 99/100 times Fatal shark attacks are cause by blood loss, including this one. Even with the water full of blood and 9 swimmers and 1 wounded swimmer 150 yards off shore, the shark chose not to attack any of them after he got a "taste" of the man. Sharks are not garbage cans and they are not indescriminate killers. Do some research. White sharks will eat alot of different foods on occasion, and when we open them up we will often find lots of things because their digestive system is very slow. But the sharks in California eat seals. Everything you stated above is a perception of the Great White Shark that is outdated, hardheaded PURE OPINION.

The only shark i have ever heard of attacking and EATING people is bull sharks. And if you ask any shark expert, bull sharks are much more dangerous as you are much more likely to run into one or more of them since they can go from salt to fresh water as they please, and so are often found in shallow rivers and swimming areas that appear innocent and safe.

hockeyref88

04-26-2008, 11:00 PM

Sorry, but you are not correct. Quoting the movie jaws wont disprove any facts. If the Great White Shark will eat anything it can get ahold of that moves, it would have eaten the man instead of biting off his legs and leaving the "good" part.

Edit: Furthermore, theres no reason you should be hunting, killing, and cutting open great white sharks whatsoever. Remember you are surrounded by fish lovers.

Sharks dont like people, we're boney and we dont taste good to them. Ask any shark expert. 99/100 times Fatal shark attacks are cause by blood loss, including this one. Even with the water full of blood and 9 swimmers and 1 wounded swimmer 150 yards off shore, the shark chose not to attack any of them after he got a "taste" of the man. Sharks are not garbage cans and they are not indescriminate killers. Do some research. White sharks will eat alot of different foods on occasion, and when we open them up we will often find lots of things because their digestive system is very slow. But the sharks in California eat seals. Everything you stated above is a perception of the Great White Shark that is outdated, hardheaded PURE OPINION.

The only shark i have ever heard of attacking and EATING people is bull sharks. And if you ask any shark expert, bull sharks are much more dangerous as you are much more likely to run into one or more of them since they can go from salt to fresh water as they please, and so are often found in shallow rivers and swimming areas that appear innocent and safe.

First (and last) of ALL, In my original post I simply said THE GUY WAS SWIMMING IN KELP BEDS!!!! KELP BEDS ARE FULL OF FISH. AND IF YOU LIKE SEALS LIKE FISH. THE POINT OF MY ORIGINAL POST WAS THAT THE SHARK WAS IN HIS NATURAL HABITAT DOING WHAT HE DOES NATURALLY AND ITS B.S. THAT WE WOULD HUNT HIM DOWN FOR DOING WHAT HE DOES NATURALLY. FOR YOU TO SAY ATTITUDES LIKE MINE IS THE REASON THE HUNT THEM DOWN. #1 YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE OF MY ATTITUDE AND #2 EVEN IF YOU WERE RIGHT HOW WOULD MY ATTITUDE EVEN AFFECT THE AUTHORITIES DECISIONS.PERSONALLY I DON'T REALLY CARE WHAT YOUR OPINION IS ON THE MATTER, AS I HAVE FOUND YOU TO BE AN EXPERT ON NOTHING SO FAR ON THIS FORUM. I have been diving many a time spearing fish and had sharks frenzied around us time and again just from a little fish blood. you can tell me all you want. I've seen it with my own 2 eyes, they eat what they can catch. You do your research and I'll do mine.

Wild Turkey

04-26-2008, 11:04 PM

First (and last) of ALL, In my original post I simply said THE GUY WAS SWIMMING IN KELP BEDS!!!! KELP BEDS ARE FULL OF FISH. AND IF YOU LIKE SEALS LIKE FISH. THE POINT OF MY ORIGINAL POST WAS THAT THE SHARK WAS IN HIS NATURAL HABITAT DOING WHAT HE DOES NATURALLY AND ITS B.S. THAT WE WOULD HUNT HIM DOWN FOR DOING WHAT HE DOES NATURALLY. FOR YOU TO SAY ATTITUDES LIKE MINE IS THE REASON THE HUNT THEM DOWN. #1 YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE OF MY ATTITUDE AND #2 EVEN IF YOU WERE RIGHT HOW WOULD MY ATTITUDE EVEN AFFECT THE AUTHORITIES DECISIONS.PERSONALLY I DON'T REALLY CARE WHAT YOUR OPINION IS ON THE MATTER, AS I HAVE FOUND YOU TO BE AN EXPERT ON NOTHING SO FAR ON THIS FORUM. I have been diving many a time spearing fish and had sharks frenzied around us time and again just from a little fish blood. you can tell me all you want. I've seen it with my own 2 eyes, they eat what they can catch. You do your research and I'll do mine.

Hey you must be right because you type in all caps. All i see is a bunch more of opinionated jargan, and a personal attack. I did my research, you obviously didnt even read this news report.

Im ending this debate, not that its much of one, because youve stated zero facts. Count em. ZERO. Heres some reading material.

Jennifer Hile
National Geographic Channel
January 23, 2004

There is good and bad news for surfers regarding the great white shark (Carcharodon carcharias). The bad news, according to shark scientists, and contrary to popular opinion, is that great whites are sharp sighted, curious animals, prone to taking "taste tests" of unfamiliar objects that catch their eye.

The good news is they generally don't like to eat people.

Shes asn expert whether u think i know what im talking about or not. GG Have a nice day.

hockeyref88

04-26-2008, 11:17 PM

Hey you must be right because you type in all caps. All i see is a bunch more of opinionated jargan, and a personal attack. I did my research, you obviously didnt even read this news report.

Im ending this debate, not that its much of one, because youve stated zero facts. Count em. ZERO. Heres some reading material.

Jennifer Hile
National Geographic Channel
January 23, 2004

There is good and bad news for surfers regarding the great white shark (Carcharodon carcharias). The bad news, according to shark scientists, and contrary to popular opinion, is that great whites are sharp sighted, curious animals, prone to taking "taste tests" of unfamiliar objects that catch their eye.

The good news is they generally don't like to eat people.

Shes asn expert whether u think i know what im talking about or not. GG Have a nice day.

Yeah and you know what typing in all caps mean too. The only reason seals are the food of choice is because of math. do the math. there is an over population of seals here millions swimming all over. During the cold water months there are a very select few humans swimming at any one time and usualkly bery close to the coast. If your so sure go take a dive in the kelp beds off solano beach. I'm sure that shark won't make the same mistake again. You have a nice day too.

NickFish

04-26-2008, 11:21 PM

Sharks dont like people, we're boney and we dont taste good to them. Ask any shark expert. 99/100 times Fatal shark attacks are cause by blood loss, including this one. Even with the water full of blood and 9 swimmers and 1 wounded swimmer 150 yards off shore, the shark chose not to attack any of them after he got a "taste" of the man.

I sort of agree with you here.

Most sharks don't have the best eyes, and if it looks like food they will often take a bite out of it to be sure before eating it. Since they don't have hands, they feel with their teeth and this can hurt. They don't eat people, they *feel* people, and when they realise who it is they leave, and the guy often dies of loss of blood before making it to a hospital.

There have been tests, where they put human blood in the water, and fish blood and seal blood. The sharks never go for the human blood.

They have also done tests where they put in a speaker with a human heatbeat, a fish and seal. Again, never going too close to the human.

However, this does not mean that sharks are not killers, they do kill people and they are dangerous. They just aren't these blood thirsty people hunters that many people think. Just because they don't like the taste of humans doesn't mean that you can go up and pet one, and if you do see a shark in the water, regardless of the time of day or what you are wearing, I'd get out of the water. They can get whipped into a feeding frenzy over fish, and they will not hesitate the take a chunk out of a human when in this frenzy, or even sometimes when they are not.

Also, let's not turn this into a personal arguement here turkey and ref, no need for name calling. :)

Wild Turkey

04-26-2008, 11:25 PM

Yeah and you know what typing in all caps mean too. The only reason seals are the food of choice is because of math. do the math. there is an over population of seals here millions swimming all over. During the cold water months there are a very select few humans swimming at any one time and usualkly bery close to the coast. If your so sure go take a dive in the kelp beds off solano beach. I'm sure that shark won't make the same mistake again. You have a nice day too.

He bit guys legs off and then left him and the other 9 people alone. Explain to me how that supports your "they only dont eat ppl cuz they arent around" theory. Once again youve failed to acknowledge the facts. As stated before, you are more likely to be struck by lighting and something like 1000 times more likley to die in a plane crash that to be attacked by a shark. From 1990-2007 there were 99 fatal shark attacks reported WORLDWIDE. Based on that if you think you will be attacked by a shark if you go swimming anywhere except right into their mouths, ur paranoid and dont know much about sharks, obviously. Facts buddy. They dont lie. How many numbers have you posted in any of these rediculous posts? Zero.

Wild Turkey

04-26-2008, 11:28 PM

I sort of agree with you here.

Most sharks don't have the best eyes, and if it looks like food they will often take a bite out of it to be sure before eating it. Since they don't have hands, they feel with their teeth and this can hurt. They don't eat people, they *feel* people, and when they realise who it is they leave, and the guy often dies of loss of blood before making it to a hospital.

There have been tests, where they put human blood in the water, and fish blood and seal blood. The sharks never go for the human blood.

They have also done tests where they put in a speaker with a human heatbeat, a fish and seal. Again, never going too close to the human.

However, this does not mean that sharks are not killers, they do kill people and they are dangerous. They just aren't these blood thirsty people hunters that many people think. Just because they don't like the taste of humans doesn't mean that you can go up and pet one, and if you do see a shark in the water, regardless of the time of day or what you are wearing, I'd get out of the water. They can get whipped into a feeding frenzy over fish, and they will not hesitate the take a chunk out of a human when in this frenzy, or even sometimes when they are not.

Also, let's not turn this into a personal arguement here turkey and ref, no need for name calling. :)

Good post all the way

nanaglen2001

04-28-2008, 05:06 AM

Yesterday evening there was a repetition of the TV show I mentioned in my second post, about jumping white sharks.
The south Africans are the one which jump very often, the Australian ones are the laziest, but every White can jump.

It was very interesting. The big white takes test bites, but for us humans its more than enough to die, if a 5 metres shark tests one.

But the most impressive thing was the footage which showed how a shark attacked a decoy seal. The shark shot up vertically with a speed which catapulted the almost 1000 kilo animal out of the water, almost like a dolphin.

One thing is for sure, I wont go for a swim in northern CA, southern Australia or South Africa.

And there was another intersting aspect. The big whites didnt get into a frenzy, they waited in some kind of a queue/line to get their impressive 30 kilo share of an Elephant seal. :jaws:

fraggle

04-28-2008, 07:51 AM

What's scarey tho is that the great white come into an area that is strictly a swimmers area. Someone that drops into the water in shark area's are taking that chance. You just don't expect it where hundreds of people would have been in the water in another hour.

LOL!!!:hmm3grin2orange: Sorry Hobbs! Had to laugh, I've got this mental picture of signs being placed under water that say "NO SHARKS ALLOWED" with fish doing a border patrol and Sharkie giving them a look like "and what are you going to do about it?" or the helicopter going over the water with a guy hanging out of it with the big mega phone "This is a swimming area only. Turn around shark, this is a restricted area, please desist from going any further or action will be taken, TURN AROUND NOW, THIS IS A RESTIRCTED AREA" Maybe he wasn't an English Speaking shark? We'll need to put up a number he can ring so he can get an interpreter? "For Great White Press 1, for Tiger shark press 2, for hammer head press 3"
LOL

Ok in all seriousness, it is sad that a guy got killed, deepest sympathies to his family and friends, really.

Yesterday evening there was a repetition of the TV show I mentioned in my second post, about jumping white sharks.
The south Africans are the one which jump very often, the Australian ones are the laziest, but every White can jump.

One thing is for sure, I wont go for a swim in northern CA, southern Australia or South Africa.

They can all jump nanageln, I think the ones round Australia are generallyl bigger bodied that the South African ones, I think I've seen the docutmentary that you're talking about, so the bigger they are they harder it is for them to get themselves out of the water!

As for not going swimming, I couldn't tell you how many times I've been swiming in the ocean!!! And I live in Southern Australia, and one of the places I've been swimming the most if off Phillip Island, which has a huge population of fur seals and penguins, figured I'm more likely to get hit by a car than eaten by a shark. Been swimming off Adelaide a whole bunch of times and further roung the gulf there too and off Albany, and Sydney and Geelong and I think just about everywhere I've been there's been a "shark attack" at one tim eor another, figure when your times up it's up, whether that be a shark or a car or a bus or what ever! :c2:
I love the beach, so not going to stop going in! Mind you if they had signs up saying that there was a shark there, I wouldn't be going in then, lol, that's like crossing a train track when the lights are flashing!