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jbeining75
04-02-2008, 06:37 PM
I see a lot of people posting up about feeders so I decided to go ahead and post up a Don’t Feed your Fish Feeder Fish post….. Ultimately it is your choice but hopefully this will explain exactly why it is not the best nutritional option for your fish….

The Petstore Feeder Tank:
These are the first problem in the long line of feeder fish problems. These tanks are often barely kept up. Include no gravel or other substrate option and are not maintained on a daily basis. The tanks are often not part of the central filtration system that is used in most petstores. The tanks are generally separately filtered with a filter that is barely big enough to run the tank. The feeders are packed in like sardines and at times have more than 5 inches of fish per every gallon of water. The high amount of fish, minimal tank maintenance and non adequate filtration allow stress to develop which increases the risk of disease-borne illnesses that can rapidly spread throughout the tank. As the fish leave the petstore and go into your tank the diseases are transferred and introduced into your beloved tank. A fast spreading disease could wipe out your entire tank in a matter of days.

The Nutritional Value of Goldfish/Rosy Reds/Comets, and Guppies:
All of the above mentioned fish are very high in fatty content and include almost no if not any nutritional value to your fish that you are feeding them too. The high fatty content allows rapid development of overweight or overfeed fish and includes the development of fatty liver disease in many bigger Cichlids that are feed these. A fish that is overweight or develops fatty liver disease does not properly digest foods adequately, uses less protein from valuable food and turns more into waste. An improper aquatic diet also induces stress in the fish and can cause complete coloration loss in many carnivorous fish. The higher stress increases the chance of the fish’ disease prevention systems (immune systems) to broke down and deplete harmful bacteria. With a lowered immune system even the development of ich is extremely hard to treat as the fish are more susceptible to the disease and the meds.

Alternatives to Feeder Fish:
There are far more and far better alternatives to feeding your fish feeders. Crickets or other terrestrial insects are a common diet of most carnivorous fish species. They have less chance of harboring diseases or infections and provide much more protein that a feeder would. Terrestrial insects are also much lower in fat content than a normal feeder limiting the development of fatty liver disease or overweight fish. There are also other types of foods that are adequate to feed your fish. These include bloodworms, brine shrimp, shrimp, mysis shrimp, krill, herring, tubifex worms, or daphnia.

Not feeding your fish feeder fish from a petstore will increase your fish’ coloration from better nutrition. It will also increase your fish’ strength to deter diseases, bacteria, and lengthens there life. It allows bacteria and fungal infections not to be transferred into your tank and also keeps the aggression level of your fish to a minimum making an overall more peaceful tank.

Live foods should be used at a minimum as a great quality pellet like Hikari, NLS, or Omega One should be used as the fishes stable to their highly nutritional diet...

Nick89
04-02-2008, 06:45 PM
Good post. There isn't a need to feed feeder fish, just feed NLS or Hikari. I prefer NLS right at the moment, just because my fish seem to be doing good on it.

Tooch
04-02-2008, 06:48 PM
Another great write up, J-Man! Good job!

RainMan
04-02-2008, 07:03 PM
Good write up! I totally agree! I've done both... in the end... the alternatives to live fish were much better.

Plus, Live fish are really messy and create a huge load on your aquariums bio system too.

Tolley
04-02-2008, 07:21 PM
Real good write up but i was just wondering is it ok when your fish eat livebearer fry? They are only small.. and not in large amounts

angelcakes
04-02-2008, 07:22 PM
good write up...........:19:

jbeining75
04-02-2008, 07:51 PM
Real good write up but i was just wondering is it ok when your fish eat livebearer fry? They are only small.. and not in large amounts

Fry aren't a problem. They are so small that they will be processed mostly as waste anyways. The bigger fish that are older generally have more fatty tissue than new fry.

helot13
04-02-2008, 07:59 PM
There is nothing like the spectacle of one fish chasing another down and gulping it whole leaving only a flash of scales, or tearing another fish to pieces in an attempt to get it down. Gives your fish a chance to experience something wild in captivity. Of course all points in the write-up are completely valid, but there is nothing wrong with quarantined feeders being used occasionally. Emphasis on QUARANTINE. Diseases are no joke.

goleafs
04-02-2008, 08:07 PM
Great post, I started trying to feed my gar frozen silver side minnows after my tank got ich from feeders and it's much easier that you'd think you just have to keep at it.

Tolley
04-02-2008, 08:16 PM
Fry aren't a problem. They are so small that they will be processed mostly as waste anyways. The bigger fish that are older generally have more fatty tissue than new fry.
ok thank-you

NickFish
04-02-2008, 08:37 PM
Amen.

Another great write-up JB,
you should put these in gereral freshwater or beginner freshwater, so more beginners can see them, they don't look in chatterbox too much. Just my 2 cents ;)

I feed my fish fry, such as baby livebearers. I just throw some platies in and I know that my fish are getting some babies every couple weeks. Leave them to do their thing, and you wake up in the morning and all your fish are twice as fat as when you left them, except for one.....
I rescue any survivers, as there is a good chance that the survivors will be the strongest and the smartest.
Never ever goldfish. I can't think of one fish that needs, or should be fed at all one live feeders. Again, great work!

Billythefish
04-02-2008, 08:43 PM
Excellent thread,
What about garden worms? ive fed my fish worms for years and have learnt thay help with digestion, and thare free world wide!

jbeining75
04-02-2008, 08:54 PM
Excellent thread,
What about garden worms? ive fed my fish worms for years and have learnt thay help with digestion, and thare free world wide!

I feed mine Canadian Nightcrawlers and millworms every once in a while also.. Nightcrawlings are high in protein also... So are millworms...

Rue
04-02-2008, 09:00 PM
In general, people who feed live food like watching the thrill of the kill...

And I have to admit it can be very interesting...

...but I can't stomach it...the terror expressed by the prey item is horrible...

I have a snake. She eats frozen mice. It's still amazing to watch her eat. Predatory fish can be taught to eat frozen foods as well (er, unthawed frozen foods...)...

jbeining75
04-02-2008, 09:03 PM
I don't feed mine for the thrill. I feed them live crickets and worms because the is natural and they would eat them in their natural habitat anyway as 60-70% of the main diet of an Oscar is terrestrial insects and smaller fish. I get no enjoyment outta watching my fish eat live things.

Rue
04-02-2008, 09:05 PM
...but LOTS do...

Trust me...lol...I find it rather apalling...:14:

jbeining75
04-03-2008, 12:59 AM
Other thoughts suggestions..?????

Dsoto87
04-03-2008, 03:25 AM
Ill admit I get a thrill out of it. Ive only done it maybe 3 times at the most though because i dont buy feeders and Ive only used guppys that are in my 20. It was interesting watching how feeding habits change between different species.

My Oscar just made a mad dash for it and just swallowed it whole....which wasnt all that exciting to watch, where as my motaguense was a lot more interesting. Seeing him stalk it down was one of the coolest things Ive ever seen. He just scoped it out for a while, than snuck up behind it and made his move so quickly.

I would never even think about using feeders as a staple in any diet although my mota is a piscivore, I still would rather use frozen foods since most are enhanced with other vitamins.

helot13
04-08-2008, 05:39 PM
I will have to admit, when I was breeding convicts and they were having 500-1000 babies a shot, I would use them as feeders. I couldn't afford to raise them. 2000 fish every month or two would have broken the food budget in no time. Made for a cheap supplement food once they got about an inch long, and I will admit. I like watching fish eat other fish. Kind of why I don't see the point of keeping piranha. No sense in watching a killing machine reduced to eating particles. I want to see a school of them take a cow to the bone in under a minute. Now that's entertainment.

sandy_n
04-08-2008, 05:54 PM
I will have to admit, when I was breeding convicts and they were having 500-1000 babies a shot, I would use them as feeders. I couldn't afford to raise them. 2000 fish every month or two would have broken the food budget in no time. Made for a cheap supplement food once they got about an inch long, and I will admit. I like watching fish eat other fish. Kind of why I don't see the point of keeping piranha. No sense in watching a killing machine reduced to eating particles. I want to see a school of them take a cow to the bone in under a minute. Now that's entertainment.

Unless you're the cow! :hmm3grin2orange:
I learned the hard way a long time ago about feeding feeders (from lfs). Opens your tank up to too many diseases. :ssad:

Tooch
04-08-2008, 06:07 PM
I have 4 piranha. I used to feed them feeders, but weened them off of them. They now eat Hakari bio-gold I feed my chichlids, and freeze dried Krill. Occasionally they also get fresh peeled shrimp and whatever fish is cheap at the store, at the time. I think they are awesome looking fish, which is why I keep them. They haven't had a feeder in months, and they still rock!

NickFish
04-12-2008, 10:31 PM
Good post JB, feeders should only ever be fed if the fish will not accept anything else, until they are put on pellets.

And even then they should be quarentined for at least a month. THe funny thing is though, that once I've QTed them for the proper amount of time, I'm too attached to them to feed them to the fish! So it's better to try and avoid them althogether. Even the pickiest fish will usually accept some feeder shrimp, live worms, or frozen foods until you get them on pellets.

jman
04-12-2008, 10:39 PM
the only real reason for feeders is to be able to raise your own nutritional ones and "injection"- I dont even do this because there are far more easy ways of getting the things you need into the fish you can soak fishfood, crickets, etc. in whatever you want and it'll work out real fine