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sunscream1488
01-15-2018, 04:31 PM
I have 2 angelfish in a 40 gallon tall tank, they've been together since they were small and now have been doing some weird stuff. It looks like they're fighting and I can't tell if they're male or female. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180115/071085961256a2f0e16368fa3c8efb6d.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180115/8b6f2c21fa933887d85144232fa6bb08.jpg

angelcraze2
01-15-2018, 06:32 PM
Awww :) They are beautiful! Anyone else in the tank? What exactly are you noticing?

If one angelfish is pinning the other against the glass and not letting it move, this is bad aggression. But angelfish will test eachother's strength to be a parent when they are thinking of pairing up, so you might see things like lip-locking and pushing. You might see the male (if you have one) stimulate ovulation by poking the female in the abdomen prior to spawning. The female usually allows this and only slightly moves back with nose pointed upward. They may turn on an angle and jerk themselves at the other angel without making contact, especially if they are alone in the tank. If there are other fish in the tank, you might see your angels chasing the other fish and keeping them on the opposite side. Can you try to explain what you are seeing?

I can't tell from the pics if they are spawning or even their sexes. But if I was to guess, and this is only an educated guess since angels cannot be 100% accurately sexed until the papilla is noticed, I would guess your clown Angel to be female, and your smokey angel looks like a male. Why do I guess this? It looks like a female's papilla in the first pic (although not clear enough to be sure!) and I believe I see a hump on the male's crown (but it could be the background). Have a look at the angelfish sexing sticky for pics distinguishing males from females. The female's ovipositor is wide and blunt. The male's is thin and pointy. Do you see a difference in person?

sunscream1488
01-16-2018, 05:31 PM
Awww :) They are beautiful! Anyone else in the tank? What exactly are you noticing?

If one angelfish is pinning the other against the glass and not letting it move, this is bad aggression. But angelfish will test eachother's strength to be a parent when they are thinking of pairing up, so you might see things like lip-locking and pushing. You might see the male (if you have one) stimulate ovulation by poking the female in the abdomen prior to spawning. The female usually allows this and only slightly moves back with nose pointed upward. They may turn on an angle and jerk themselves at the other angel without making contact, especially if they are alone in the tank. If there are other fish in the tank, you might see your angels chasing the other fish and keeping them on the opposite side. Can you try to explain what you are seeing?

I can't tell from the pics if they are spawning or even their sexes. But if I was to guess, and this is only an educated guess since angels cannot be 100% accurately sexed until the papilla is noticed, I would guess your clown Angel to be female, and your smokey angel looks like a male. Why do I guess this? It looks like a female's papilla in the first pic (although not clear enough to be sure!) and I believe I see a hump on the male's crown (but it could be the background). Have a look at the angelfish sexing sticky for pics distinguishing males from females. The female's ovipositor is wide and blunt. The male's is thin and pointy. Do you see a difference in person?Yeah sorry about the bad pics , I wanted to get a video of them but it doesn't seem to bad and it's not a constant struggle for one or the other. The only other fish I have in there are my BN plecos that have been mating and a couple khuli loaches. They were shaking at each other, lip locking , nipping yesterday and that was the first time I've noticed the behavior, today they're happy with each other again. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180116/7a34b29f42615ec02b23257c8309d99d.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180116/8f8404affb9329665fc339bbfa919435.jpg

sunscream1488
01-16-2018, 05:34 PM
Yeah sorry about the bad pics , I wanted to get a video of them but it doesn't seem to bad and it's not a constant struggle for one or the other. The only other fish I have in there are my BN plecos that have been mating and a couple khuli loaches. They were shaking at each other, lip locking , nipping yesterday and that was the first time I've noticed the behavior, today they're happy with each other again. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180116/7a34b29f42615ec02b23257c8309d99d.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180116/8f8404affb9329665fc339bbfa919435.jpgI've been trying to look at things like body shape and their breeding tubes but it's really hard to tell.

angelcraze2
01-16-2018, 05:53 PM
I really can't see anything in the pics either, so don't feel bad. Your angels are just so beautiful! Where did you get them?

I don't like the sound of nipping for an angelfish, the rest sounds ok. As long as one isn't overly aggressive with the other, and they're both holding their own, don't worry about it. Lol that they are friends again, doesn't surprise me in the least!

sunscream1488
01-16-2018, 11:07 PM
I really can't see anything in the pics either, so don't feel bad. Your angels are just so beautiful! Where did you get them?

I don't like the sound of nipping for an angelfish, the rest sounds ok. As long as one isn't overly aggressive with the other, and they're both holding their own, don't worry about it. Lol that they are friends again, doesn't surprise me in the least!Thank you so much. I got them both when they were small at a local Wet Pets store. They both seem to be very happy in their tank and are very interested in what's going on outside of the tank, it's really funny actually. It just took me off guard when I saw them messing with each other and I actually haven't seen it happen again. Strange. I'm wondering if it was either mating or establishing dominance since they are both now bigger, I don't want to say mature since they're only about a year old. If that

angelcraze2
01-17-2018, 05:35 PM
At that age is when they will start to mature. Some strains breed earlier (8 months) in very good conditions. Angelfish are awesome fish, I love how they all quickly swim up to the surface when they see you in the room. Very inquisitive friendly fish!

angelcraze2
01-17-2018, 06:36 PM
I have a little fishroom with a total of 14 angelfish and it really cracks me up when I enter the room lol!

sunscream1488
02-21-2018, 10:07 PM
I have a little fishroom with a total of 14 angelfish and it really cracks me up when I enter the room lol!Update: they're mating. They aren't good parents though they ate their eggs

AmazonJoe
02-22-2018, 12:24 AM
Their first spawn? That's not uncommon.

What are the parameters mostly temp/hardness GH/kH?

sunscream1488
03-03-2018, 11:49 AM
Their first spawn? That's not uncommon.

What are the parameters mostly temp/hardness GH/kH?I keep it just below 80 I'm not sure about hardness. But they did it again, spawned and ate the eggs. My bristlenose pleco babies get eaten too. I guess that's just the breeding tank, they're all getting busy and eating their children

AmazonJoe
03-03-2018, 06:59 PM
If they are eating the babies its some sort of trigger first I would eliminate water parameters as the cause so temp around 82f and hardness in TDS (total dissolved solids) in the 150-250ppm range then if they continue to eat eggs then its environmental stress like the tank layout,tank mates, or even to much walking by the tank

sunscream1488
03-04-2018, 07:08 PM
If they are eating the babies its some sort of trigger first I would eliminate water parameters as the cause so temp around 82f and hardness in TDS (total dissolved solids) in the 150-250ppm range then if they continue to eat eggs then its environmental stress like the tank layout,tank mates, or even to much walking by the tankYou can see there that there is a lot of traffic by the tank. I'm gonna test the water now. The tank has been cloudy lately and not real sure why. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180304/b63edb02143a8696663895fcad172061.jpg

sunscream1488
03-04-2018, 07:10 PM
You can see there that there is a lot of traffic by the tank. I'm gonna test the water now. The tank has been cloudy lately and not real sure why. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180304/b63edb02143a8696663895fcad172061.jpgThat's their home. They seem to like it and are very personable fish. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180304/772c0c7c6637b99a55b4d00ce07ccdf7.jpg

sunscream1488
03-04-2018, 07:18 PM
That's their home. They seem to like it and are very personable fish. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180304/772c0c7c6637b99a55b4d00ce07ccdf7.jpgLooks like the ammonia is .25 nitrate 0 and ph 7.6 I just changed the water so the trace of ammonia might be from that

Slaphppy7
03-04-2018, 07:31 PM
Which water conditioner do you use?

sunscream1488
03-08-2018, 01:30 PM
Which water conditioner do you use?Seachem prime

Rocksor
03-08-2018, 01:35 PM
Seachem prime

So your tap water has ammonia from chloramine?

sunscream1488
03-08-2018, 01:46 PM
So your tap water has ammonia from chloramine?I never have ammonia in my tank and I had just done a water change so I'm assuming it's from that. So I'm not sure.

Slaphppy7
03-08-2018, 01:54 PM
Run an ammonia test on your tap water.

sunscream1488
03-08-2018, 02:03 PM
Run an ammonia test on your tap water.Ok and if there is ammonia present, then what? Not really much I can do about that is there?

Slaphppy7
03-08-2018, 02:07 PM
Seachem Prime will render the ammonia from the chloramines in your tap water inert for 24-48 hours, that's why it is advised to check your tank ammonia levels 24 hours after a water change.

My tap measures 1.0 ppm of ammonia, I don't worry about it because I use Prime.

sunscream1488
03-08-2018, 03:14 PM
Seachem Prime will render the ammonia from the chloramines in your tap water inert for 24-48 hours, that's why it is advised to check your tank ammonia levels 24 hours after a water change.

My tap measures 1.0 ppm of ammonia, I don't worry about it because I use Prime.I use prime too. My water is usually pretty good. I get a bacteria bloom here and there and makes the tank cloudy but that's about it

Slaphppy7
03-08-2018, 03:19 PM
Bacteria blooms are usually the result of a tank that is cycling...what is your reading nitrIte?...a cycled tank usually has some nitrAtes

Are you using a liquid test kit?

sunscream1488
03-08-2018, 03:22 PM
Bacteria blooms are usually the result of a tank that is cycling...what is your reading nitrIte?...a cycled tank usually has some nitrAtes

Are you using a liquid test kit?Yeah API liquid test kit. All my reading are always good