View Full Version : Spawning aggression injury

10-11-2017, 04:15 AM
First I'd like to say I think my heart stopped for a minute. My own gold female when I went to feed them today, looked at me with white on half her snout! What the heck is this now???? I was just sent through shipping an electric blue ram with what I'm pretty sure it's Lymphocystis, and my heart stopped when I thought it was lymph on my angel in another tank. Luckily, once I caught my breath and upon closer observation, I noticed it looked like her scales are missing, almost like she scaped them off rubbing her snout on something, so an injury, not lymphocystis.

She and her mate (gold marble male) share a 33g tank, they have for a year at least, lay eggs every two weeks or so, and have been great parents the whole time. Her injury is not a complete surprise, since I've noticed an incraese in aggression toward her mate. Just some ramming and pushing away sometimes, but she bared the brunt of her rage. I've recently redecorated the tank for a cleaner open look, and my plants don't seem to grow well in there anyway for some reason. So simple java fern and driftwood, a little dawrf sag for the bottom, and I added a ton of long rooted dwarf water lettuce to further dim the lighting with the decreased plant load and to suck up nitrates. Nitrates are still always 0ppm in my planted tanks, with the low bioload, and I want to keep it that way on my breeding tanks. Nitrates are much more dangerous to sensitive fry. Lack of available nitrate is probably the reason my stem plants grow with obvious defiiencies, and why I ripped them out, they can't be contributing great things to the tank. I feel you have to find a fish/plant balance for each tank.

Then, after I took the vid, I checked on the filter and thought the top of my bio bag was covered in cyanobacteria! I've been trying to keep it at bay since my tanks were grossly overfed back in August. They've been doing pretty good, but this big green spot freaked me right out all over again. I rinsed the top of the bag careful not to touch the bio media with tap water and now I think it was just green algae due to the RBG light I have directly over the filter for ambient light at night. :doh:

Anyway, they have babies in the tank at the moment, so I've added a couple more IALs and one in the filter to try and keep infection and fungus away. My plan is keep the tank params and conditions as prestine as possible, and with lots of water changes, I'm very hopeful her injury will heal without problems. A reason not to freak out even when things aren't going well in all your tanks.

Here's a video of the parents and fry, concentrating on the female's injury.



Here's also a pic of the tank and the new scape. There will be an amazon sword replanted in between the DW, but the one in the pot died.

10-11-2017, 12:14 PM
I hope she heals up quickly for you...just what you need, more stress over your fish

10-11-2017, 12:28 PM
I think it is just some missing scales from her butting the male. Boy, is she relentless! Then you focused on all the tiny fry and I can see why she is so persistent. That's a lot of babies...I hope you will get some to grow up for you.
I know what it is like once you have an issue with some of your fish...every little thing out of the norm causes you to say "Oh, no!" . So take a deep breath and relax. Everything is finethumbs2:

10-11-2017, 12:34 PM
Those fry are just so darn cute.

It's understandable being paranoid about anything now, after what you've gone through. But try to relax and enjoy it. You've got things under control.

10-11-2017, 03:06 PM
Boy, is she relentless!

I know.....grrrrrrrrrrr!

10-11-2017, 07:08 PM
Thank you Matt, Silbar, Sue.

Haha Taurus! He was just as relentless as she was toward ME! He did not like the camera! I got confused who was who when I was in zoom mode Hahaha.

The fry at the end was a little treat. Lol, they hung the babies on the wall the day before. Before that, they were on the java fern leaf. These two have babies every two weeks. I try to feed them, but somehow, they always go missing within a week. I think somebody's eating them, but not sure.

I think I'll pass on raising babies at this time, I feel really stressed about the fish in my permanent QT tank, I feel I have enough going on in fishland atm.

I know this mark is not lymphocystis, and I have this. Her scales will regrow in no time.

May I put this thought to you guys?
I have 3 33g breeder tanks. Only one pair is actively breeding atm in the "honeymoon suites", the others may breed, but are not good parents. I have a pair actively breeding in my 90g. I'm thinking of splitting up the pairs that aren't breeding, putting the two platinum angels (not a pair) in the 120g and the two gold angels (not a pair) in the 90g and swapping out for the pair who are actively breeding in that tank. I'll have an extra breeding tank then to see what to do with. I may just redo the tank for future breeders.

I feel I can add angels to the 90g as long as I remove the alfa at the same time. The 120g, well, the angels are still pretty messed out figuring out their places. I may swap two of the young phillipine blues out of the 120g that I never intended to keep because they are 'ugly ducklings'. I like all phillipine blue angels, but I love my platinum angels as well, and these two are remarkable specimens imo.

Sorry if that's confusing. If anyone knows my angelfish, or can follow that plan, I'd appreciate an opinion. I think it should go well, I'd like to give my gold pealscale female angel a breeding break anyway, her platinum male partner eats the eggs every night!

10-11-2017, 08:16 PM
You swap idea with the angels sounds good to me. If you do end up nixing the fish in the QT this will reduce your stress level and give you something positive to focus on instead. I love your angels and the tanks you have made for them and would like to see these remain beautiful and successful for you in the future.

10-11-2017, 09:50 PM
Ty Sil:) So much! You are right, I need to ficus on my tanks. I did my WC on the 120g last night, I'm so pleased with it and the fish even though it's understocked with tetras. I have water ready to do the 3 x 33gs, just did the 90g a few days ago. I feel I can do this, just need to calm down. I've had a major headache (anxiety) since I received these fish from Angelfins.

10-11-2017, 10:48 PM
You're very welcome. I think you will sleep better tonight after having made the decisions you did today. Hopefully you will wake up in the am without a stress headache and can enjoy the new changes in your other tanks. :lovegoddess: A little prayer going out for your tetras.

10-11-2017, 11:08 PM
You're very welcome. I think you will sleep better tonight after having made the decisions you did today. Hopefully you will wake up in the am without a stress headache and can enjoy the new changes in your other tanks. :lovegoddess: A little prayer going out for your tetras.

I will do that too, as well as for you personally Kat.

This hobby is supposed to be FUN, and RELAXING....dammit

10-12-2017, 02:09 AM
I'm sending one for you, as well ^

Your angel switch-around sounds like a nice plan. I think you're instincts are something that you should follow -- if you think it is time to give your female gold pearlscale a break, than you absolutely should. Trust those instincts of yours, you've earned them.

10-12-2017, 06:55 PM
Thanks Sil, Matt and RG!
You're all absolutely right! I can't wait until this becomes fun and relaxing again. Matt, I'm trying to work on it, but ever since an accident, my anxiety is out of control. It's not the hobby's fault, just the way I am atm. I was so screwed around with and hurt, I found it hard to trust anyone for the last 6 years. Want to see someone with unbelievable bad luck? It's me. The only thing I can do now is try to laugh at all the bad things that happen, but I'm particularly sensitive when I think someone's out to mess me over (ex. Ship the deformed fish out to another city). If an unfortunate happening changed me for the worse, with positive thinking, I'm hoping I can turn myself around with a lot of work. It's hard with flashbacks and nightmares, but I think they are getting better.

Thanks RG for having so much confidence in my instincs. You have reminded me that I know my angels best and gave me some confidence. My fishroom might be getting a good shake-up soon.

10-12-2017, 07:12 PM
Well, here's hoping your luck changes for the better very soon