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WhistlingBadger
01-21-2017, 03:31 AM
I am looking for angelfish Segrest Farms, which supplies my LFS. I am only interested in the "wild type" angels; I don't care for all the colored ones.

They have several strains in their catalog (http://www.segrestfarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.search)--Rio Nanay F1, Rio Japura, Rio Nanay Wild, Rio Negro--but no info on what the differences are. Anybody have any ideas about this? If so, I would be most grateful!

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AmazonJoe
01-21-2017, 03:40 AM
Well these are all different regions in the Amazon Rio Negro being mostly in Brazil and Rio Nanay Peru not sure about Rio Japura have to look that one up. Also F1 stands for a first spawn from wild caught parents.

The differences will be in coloration and only collecting from the different rivers will we know the extent of those differences. I'm sure someone already did but its a matter of finding photos and data of that online :/

I can ask Segrest about the differences/what's in stock or available. I see the owners son every now and then and can contact him. well maybe former owner or whatever im not sure the details. The farm was just recently sold to a company can't remember the name but needless to say it was a multimillion dollar deal...

WhistlingBadger
01-21-2017, 03:48 AM
Hey, thanks, Joe. That's nice of you. I did find out about the F1/F2 thing. I've tried doing some photo searches on the different strains, and haven't really been able to find out enough to make any type of comparison. It's no huge deal; mostly I'm just curious. But if you can find out anything, it would make me happy. :)

AmazonJoe
01-21-2017, 03:51 AM
Sure thing I will ask about there Scarlare's :)

SueD
01-21-2017, 03:01 PM
Maybe find some insight here:

https://www.angelsplus.com/ArticleWildAngelfish.htm

WhistlingBadger
01-21-2017, 04:25 PM
Thanks for the link, Sue. I look forward to reading that article.

AmazonJoe
01-24-2017, 05:35 PM
So I was mistaken the guy I was talking about works at 5-D tropicals not segrest so not sure what they have. 5-D said they have altums which are endemic to the Orinoco ;)

WhistlingBadger
01-24-2017, 07:10 PM
Yeah, I really want altums, but they're a bit too tall to be comfortable in this tank, and probably too fussy in terms of feeding for me to be able to take proper care of them. I am interested in the Peruvian strain of scalares, though. Sue, that link you provided is really interesting in that regard.

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Taurus
01-24-2017, 07:16 PM
I've always been impressed with Angels Plus for a numbers of reasons. And for what it's worth (probably nothing) Altums simply need a bigger tank.

luke77
01-24-2017, 10:20 PM
As far as altums being fussy I guess it just depends. I just acquired 14 wild caught altums and have them in my 125 in softened well water with no issues. They will eat anything as well. This is them eating brine shrimp.
https://youtu.be/j0P8GhfFB3g

WhistlingBadger
01-24-2017, 10:52 PM
Wow, Luke, thanks for sharing that. I love the looks of altums. Their markings are like no other. :1luvu: But I'm guessing a pair would be crowded in a 29g. I'm also concerned about their need for soft, acidic water. The water in my 55 tends toward high pH (8-8.5). I like fairly low-maintenance fish; that's why I've never tried discus.

luke77
01-24-2017, 11:39 PM
My Ph is 8.2 to 8.4. I've successfully kept discus in this same water as well.

steeler58
01-24-2017, 11:58 PM
Yeah, I really want altums, but they're a bit too tall to be comfortable in this tank, and probably too fussy in terms of feeding for me to be able to take proper care of them. I am interested in the Peruvian strain of scalares, though. Sue, that link you provided is really interesting in that regard.

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TWS has Peruvian strain in stock right now: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiBi_7C_dvRAhVE1oMKHQRDD8QQjBAIIzAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wetspottropicalfish.com%2Find ex.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Darticle%26i d%3D2%26Itemid%3D116&usg=AFQjCNHXJoou2kQ73tN8b44P8wzOfKAG6w, I know some people prefer to buy from LFS to avoid shipping but if you can get what you want.............

steeler58
01-25-2017, 12:00 AM
A good video of the Peru strain from you tube


https://youtu.be/QqDnpsvYNRo

steeler58
01-25-2017, 12:05 AM
Also thought I'd post a video of the third species of Angel that does not get the attention of the other two, the long nosed angel or Pterophyllum Leopoldi, looking great with Cardinal's ;-)


https://youtu.be/TqBlnGE2TKk

WhistlingBadger
01-25-2017, 03:33 AM
My Ph is 8.2 to 8.4. I've successfully kept discus in this same water as well.

Reeeeeeeallly? That is very interesting indeed! Have to check my tank height when I get a chance. Yours are wild caught? Do they eat flake and such OK?

WhistlingBadger
01-25-2017, 03:35 AM
Lee--thanks for the vids! Those Peruvians are *almost* as pretty as altums. Some people consider them a subspecies of altum. Some people consider them an undescribed species. Heck if I know. I just like them. :) Never been a fan of Leopoldi angels--their shape and markings just aren't as cool as the other two. I read somewhere that they're also the most aggressive subspecies. Don't know if that's true.

Check out this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FobUNyaoKf4

WhistlingBadger
01-25-2017, 03:38 AM
Oh, and Joe--No worries! Thanks so much for checking. I might just email the folks that run that page Sue posted and ask them. I'll let you all know if I find out anything. I'll probably end up just getting generic, wild-type domestic angels. Oh well...this is still an opportunity to add to my vast store of obscure, arcane, mostly useless knowledge. So that's always good.

luke77
01-25-2017, 11:44 AM
Yes they eat flake, brine shrimp, blood worms, small pellets. Their Hungry monsters.

steeler58
01-26-2017, 10:54 PM
Another subspecies I find interesting the Pterophyllum scalare Manacapuru or red shouldered angel


https://youtu.be/S5PVravvwhM

AmazonJoe
01-26-2017, 11:38 PM
So TWS has scalare for 5 a piece right now

William
01-26-2017, 11:41 PM
https://youtu.be/S5PVravvwhM

Those look great. would love to get my hands on some.

WhistlingBadger
01-27-2017, 03:52 AM
You know the trouble with this forum, right? I ask a simple question, and end up desperately needing six additional tanks. :hmm3grin2orange:

steeler58
01-27-2017, 04:17 AM
That's what friends are for.........:hmm3grin2orange: