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Brass Monkey
01-18-2017, 09:44 PM
Hi all - setting up a new tank (see me in the introductions section) & would like angelfish.

110g - live plants - had water for about a week - still setting it up etc. Not planning to add the angels for a month or more while I figure it all out.

While I'm working on getting the tank set up I've started reading about the various types of angelfish on the market & honestly I have more questions than answers.

First & foremost - is it worth it to buy fish online instead of the local store? The extra $40 shipping is a lot on a fish you have never laid eyes on - have any of you had success with this & been happy with the color & quality of the fish you receive? I always have in the back of my mind that they ship out the stock that no one wants.


Second - I've read some on the koi angelfish - they seem to have so much color in the pictures online - is this a true representation of what they look like or are they just showing the super-model's & the country girls are never get their picture taken? (sorry to all you country girls out there - no offense meant).

Lastly - I'm looking for large (will grow to be large) angelfish with lots of color or variation with a good social personality - sounds like a dang dating site, but that's what I want. The koi look good online - but will I get fish with color or what?

Rocksor
01-18-2017, 09:52 PM
Buy fish at the LFS. Make sure that the LFS where you buy them don't have outbreaks of disease or wasting away in other tanks. If the fish just arrived at the LFS, wait at least a couple of weeks before purchasing.

The adult color of the fish depends on its genetics, and you will not know what the fish will look like as an adult when purchased at the size of a quarter or less. Keep nitrates below 20ppm through regular water changes, and then should color up.

angelcraze2
01-19-2017, 03:47 AM
So, you're looking for a large colourful angelfish with lots of personality? Well, you are correct to look at the koi strain. Gold (ancestors) angels typically have a larger body compared to other p. angels. But it all depends on what you are considering large....some might aspire for tall fins for example where the body doesn't matter as much. So going with the koi strain.....

When most people describe a colourful koi angel, they are usually referring to the amount of orange the fish displays so I'm going to assume this is what you have your eye on.

The orange in koi angels vary depending on their genetics as mentioned. Breeders colour breed their fish to acheive the most orange in offspring. That's why the price is what it is, it takes generations to acheive certain traits. But I've never ordered angelfish, so I have no advice to give you there :(

But to help you recognize a koi angel at the LFS, young koi angels will have clear fins (no horizontal striations), have varying degrees of black marbling, and blushing gills. As the fish matures, the tissue around the gills toughen (blushing fades away) and reflective deposits appear on the flanks. The amount of orange will further develop as the fish matures, if it's part of their generic makeup, so it would be difficult to pick out for certainty a high coverage koi, but at least you can make an educated guess. I've seen many times gold marble angelfish being sold as more pricey koi angelfish, so have a good look at your angels before purchasing.

They all have lots of personality, so don't worry about that! And their personalities are all different!

Brass Monkey
01-19-2017, 11:42 PM
I don't think my local fish store will have them

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Brass Monkey
01-19-2017, 11:43 PM
Im thinking of ordering online

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Slaphppy7
01-19-2017, 11:49 PM
I have ordered from these guys many times, most of my fish came from here...the shipping $ is well worth the price with the quality of fish and customer service you will receive

http://www.wetspottropicalfish.com/

Just look at this selection, it's updated every Friday

http://www.wetspottropicalfish.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2&Itemid=116

I'm like you, no decent LFS store nearby

angelcraze2
01-20-2017, 02:21 AM
I'm like you, no decent LFS store nearby

Really, you have to look carefully, know what you're looking for and have patience. Haha, I guess it's much easier to let a breeder to the hard work, it's trusting them that would be an issue. Without ever having experience ordering fish, I've seen ads and wish I could get some of them shipped to me. I would hope they'd take pics of the actual fish, at least with the angelfish I've looked at. That being said, I've also seen orange BN being sold as "super reds" with a pic taken in a very warm spectrum. Most of the times, you can tell when a photo had been modified. Reviews are helpful as well.

Rocksor
01-20-2017, 01:27 PM
Where in the US are you at?

Brass Monkey
01-20-2017, 05:48 PM
Peoria il

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Rocksor
01-20-2017, 06:08 PM
Peoria il

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This vendor is in Pennsylvania, so next day shipping may be cheaper than the Wet Spot Tropical Fish

http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet-supplies-search#!aquarium-livestock/freshwater-fish&ea_c=angelfish

EDIT: Nevermind, they are out of stock.

Brass Monkey
01-20-2017, 06:20 PM
Ive looked there. Nice place

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Taurus
01-20-2017, 07:17 PM
Personally I've never dealt with these guys on a fish purchase but their website is informative:

https://www.angelsplus.com/index.htm

RiversGirl
01-20-2017, 09:35 PM
Personally I've never dealt with these guys on a fish purchase but their website is informative:

https://www.angelsplus.com/index.htm

For what it is worth:
I've not ordered fish from them, but I have spoken to the owner at length (regarding food). I had a positive experience buying from them and will do business with them again. Were I in the market to buy an angel online, I would certainly consider one of theirs.

Brass Monkey
01-25-2017, 12:14 AM
Can i add fish of different sizes & ages or will the big ones pick on the smalls?

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luke77
01-25-2017, 01:33 AM
Peoria. There are lot of angel breeders in Chicago. This Sunday their the greater Chicago Cichlid association swap meet. You can get what ever you wanted there and talk to the breeders.

luke77
01-25-2017, 01:36 AM
http://www.gcca.net/

Here's a link. It's worth the trip.

luke77
01-25-2017, 01:37 AM
http://www.gcca.net/docs-events/upcoming

Boundava
01-25-2017, 03:19 PM
I agree, even the Greenwater Aquarist society has lots of angel breeders in our club and we are a little closer than the Chicago club for you. We just had an Auction on Sunday and 85% of the stock was cichlids with a good 25% of that being angels (blues, blacks, golds and some koi too). Check the website, we have a swap in March-the 19th I believe and there will be a lot of angels there you can see and buy. Of you can come as a guest to one of our meeting (next one is February 3rd) and talk to some of the members that breed angels.

http://www.greenwateraquaristsociety.org/

Boundava
01-25-2017, 03:54 PM
http://www.gcca.net/

Here's a link. It's worth the trip.

Oh I love the list, if you get to go get some of Captain Bob's foods, my fish love his black soldier fly larva food, they go bonkers over it! He is such a great guy too.

If I had time I would go but I don't need any fish, plants or food right now.

luke77
01-25-2017, 05:31 PM
I've never been. I have enough angel and cichlid breeders in my area that I buy from.

Brass Monkey
01-25-2017, 07:56 PM
I need to stick in the peoria / Bloomington area. Chicago is too far & i hear everyone that goes there gets shot.



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Boundava
01-25-2017, 11:48 PM
I work in Chicago every day and am in the Humbolt park area by Chicago Ave. and Kedzie and never hear gunshots. The Greater Ciclid club meets in Downer's Grove and the swap meet is in Hoffman Estates, that isn't Chicago. I am sorry but that comment is just in very poor taste. :nono:

Brass Monkey
01-26-2017, 01:58 AM
Haha. My wife grew up on 107th & Avenue F. I love to tease her about it.

No offense meant (unless you are a packers fan - in that case GO BEARS!)

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Countrylovin4evr
05-02-2017, 04:07 PM
Some LFS (like Petco) are able to special order for you, saving you the shipping costs but giving the fish you want. My mom ordered Lemon Tetras this way and they are healthy fish- she picked up the day after they got in but you can pickup as soon as they are delivered.

SueD
05-02-2017, 11:29 PM
If your local store is fish only, they may be willing to special order for you.

But here's another on-line place

http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/aquarium-fish-supplies.cfm?c=830+879