can i put a discus in my 4ft?

[mitcore]

can i put a discus in my 4ft with the angels and gouramis
i like the look of them
but i am not to sure if i can
also can i have some specs on them too please

thanks

[cocoa_pleco]

they like groups of at least four, and like pristine water conditions.

how many angels and gouramis do you have?

[mitcore]

about 6 anfels and 3 gourami

[cocoa_pleco]

youre already at full stock, since angels need 10g each

[mitcore]

ok thanks cocoa
thanks for the help

[cocoa_pleco]

no prob!!!!

[Fishguy2727]

How many gallons is the 4ft tank?

[cocoa_pleco]

a 4ft is 55g providing its a standard tank

[mitcore]

it looks like i am possibly able to get a discus shortly
i have another breeding pair in the 4ft so i will be transfering them and that will mean i will have 2 angels left in the 4ft
is that enough gone to get one?

[cocoa_pleco]

at a bare minimum get 3.

[mitcore]

are they agressive?
and will they go with my fish listed in my 4ft?

[cocoa_pleco]

theyre fairly peaceful, and like soft water amazon conditions

[mitcore]

sorry cocoa i am not to sure i understand the amazon conditions
what are they?

[cocoa_pleco]

amazon conditions are usually a softer PH, about 6, and the tanks usually have some plants and lots of driftwood. allow the driftwood to leach tannins and the water will soften itself and have a nice brown tinge

[mitcore]

ok thanks cocoa

[Drumachine09]

Personally, I wouldn't do discus in anything but a species-only tank.

[Lady Hobbs]

Absolutely. Discus should be with their own kind with only perhaps a bristlenose for the bottom.

You will have a problem trying to have 4 angels in one tank, as well.

[Fishguy2727]

What size is this 4ft tank?

There is not a standard 4ft tank. It could be a 33, 40, 55, 65, 75, 90, 110, 120, or 150. Those are the common 4ft tanks I know of. One dimension does not tell me whether you are overstocked or still have tons of room.

Most of those fish are fine with discus. What type of gourami? What is the scientific name for the silver-finned sharks? Or another common name? There are many fish that are fine with discus. Many of yours are examples of these.

The exact parameters are not as important as water quality and stability. My discus are in unaltered tap water (which usually holds at 7.8-8.0). They would do better in soft water of about 6.0-6.5, but if that is not what your tap offers, as long as it is stable it should be fine. There

[Lady Hobbs]

I think by "common" 4 ft, he is referring to a 55 gallon.

[cocoa_pleco]

yep, its common. i believe 48"x12"x18"


discus do not need species only. A common tankmate are neon tetras, but they are a "use under caution" fish, since if the tetras get neon disease it may spread to the discus

[Fishguy2727]

Has mitcore said it was a 55 (maybe in another thread that I have not seen)?

[mitcore]

i refer to my tanks by ft
otherwise i get confused
sorry for the confusion

[Fishalicious]

Discus really do best in a species tank... they need perfect water conditions and don't like a lot of other fish around them.

[mitcore]

what do you mean by a species tank?

[Arkie]

a tank that has all the same species of fish in it, eg an all discus tank. :c9:

[cocoa_pleco]

species tanks refer to fish that do well with their own kind, like dwarf puffers.

[mitcore]

how big do discus need

[cocoa_pleco]

minimum 55g (standard 4ft) for just 4 alone in a species tank

[mitcore]

wow
that is not much
how big do they grow?

[Fishguy2727]

How big is your tank? I need to know how many gallons or the other two dimensions. You may have a 33, in which case you are overstocked. You could have a 150 in which case you have tons of room to spare. I would guess 55 as it is the most common 4' tank, but assumptions are a dangerous thing that could lead to us recommending really bad advice.

Discus can do a lot better in a species tank, but there are a number of fish that they are fine with. One important thing to remember is that they are cichlids. They can be aggressive (compared to how most people think of discus). When they are small it is one thing, but as they get bigger and are settled in, they are quite hardy and relatively aggressive. There are many species that discus do very well with. Sometimes it is almost necessary to add something like cardinal tetras as a dither fish to help them settle in and feel comfortable.

[Incredulous_Ed]

German blue rams will do well with discus, according to this one aquarium encyclopedia I have. Also will angelfsh and cardinal tetras.

[mitcore]

i think my tank has been worked out at 55g, all i know it is a common 4ft tank, or if this helps it is a 250 litre

[cocoa_pleco]

yep, a 250l is a 55g

[Ocellatus]

250L is equal to 65 us gallons.
i've heard that angels are not a very good tankmate for discus.

[Fishguy2727]

What are the other two dimensions. 250L came out to 62.5. So it depends on how accurate the 250L is. I wouldn't add discus.

Rams, angels, many types of tetras, most if not all cories, some plecos, and many others can do very well with discus. Mine are in with young bichirs (for now), an 18" tiretrack eel, bristlenose plecos, a gold nugget pleco, spotted silver dollars, and a couple Synodontis eupterus. I woudln't recommend some of these with most discus, but mine are settled in quite well and are not having an issue.

[shockshockshad]

Mitcore (I think) knew it was 55 gallo, and tried to put it in liters, and he calculations came out wrong. I do know though that 48" x 12" 18" is 55 gallons.

[Fishguy2727]

Standard 55s are 48x13x21.

[cocoa_pleco]

i just measured my standard 55g (i know 100% its a standard) and its 48"x12"x18"

[Lady Hobbs]

Since we are getting so technical, it's 48 1/4" x 12 3/4 x 21"

Cocoa, yours sounds like a 45 long.

Check this chart.
http://www.alysta.com/books/fishtank.htm

Both my 55's are 21 inches high.

[Fishguy2727]

Either way, no room for discus.

[cocoa_pleco]

lol, mines not a 40g long, i bought it as a 55g starter kit. maybe i just read the tape measure wrong

[cocoa_pleco]

lol, i was hoping i corrected that spelling mistake before it got noticed

[Incredulous_Ed]

This got waaayyyyy off topic.

[mitcore]

LOL it is but hey all helps
cheers everyone LOL